Voller hopes to see a big pro-illegal crowd in front of courthouse at 5:30

[NC YIPPIE]

Maybe the conservatives were having their own 'luv fest' off somewhere by themselves? 

[ALIPAC]

Randy -

Sounds like it was a liberal lovefest. I would guess there weere plenty of the "usual suspects".

Hope you weren't caught between "real estate developer" Randy Voller and the mic. Randy sure does love the spotlight.

BTW, did you and mamacash have digital versions of your public input that you can post on the BBS?

I sat next to Gene and he was filming.  I think he just posted he will be putting it up on YouTube.

That's great. It will be nice to place a face with a name.

Was I correct to guess mamacash spoke as well?

Ron Woodard told me that while Mamacash said she had some reservations about how the Commission proceeded on this measure that she pretty much supported NOT reconsidering or reversing the resolution.

Is that correct mamacash?

W

[randy]

Maybe the conservatives were having their own 'luv fest' off somewhere by themselves? 

if you can't address the facts bud, attack the messenger

[NC YIPPIE]

That's exactly what you were doing by calling it a luv fest Randy. No biggie. 

[randy]

That's exactly what you were doing by calling it a luv fest Randy. No biggie. 

OK, touche on that one

[mamacash]

Randy -

Sounds like it was a liberal lovefest. I would guess there were plenty of the "usual suspects".

Hope you weren't caught between "real estate developer" Randy Voller and the mic. Randy sure does love the spotlight.

BTW, did you and mamacash have digital versions of your public input that you can post on the BBS?

I sat next to Gene and he was filming.  I think he just posted he will be putting it up on YouTube.

That's great. It will be nice to place a face with a name.

Was I correct to guess mamacash spoke as well?

Ron Woodard told me that while Mamacash said she had some reservations about how the Commission proceeded on this measure that she pretty much supported NOT reconsidering or reversing the resolution.

Is that correct mamacash?

W

I am not sure why Mr. Woodard would have said that about my speech...I never said I did not want to revisit the resolution...I was the only person in all who spoke who had hecklers interupt my speech...so if that is all he got from what i said...I question if he Had preconceived idea of what I said....I was taped by Gene and it should be on his you tube postings. I clearly stated that I felt this resolution did not represent the entire populous of Chatham County. Watch the film and decide for yourself...I owe no one any explanation for what I said. As I showed up and spoke and others stayed away.

[chrstnhsbndfthr]

Pam, Thank you, and thanks also to Randy, who went and actually spoke for the people of the county. I appreciate it. IIt is good to have people stand and speak for the rest of us. Regardless of what exactly you said, I appreciate that you tried to make the point that we the people were not heard from and were not welcomed into this process. I am sorry you were heckled, but having attended several of these meetings in the past, I can tell you that this is the normal reaction to someone disagreeing with the political machine. Still, I am sorry that you were publicly disrespected. I will not always agree with your positions, but your viewpoint is still worth hearing.

The Coalitionistas have a fantastic turnout program, with many, many, people who benefit from their big government programs and have plenty of time to show up.  It is also true, that the last I saw, the CCV had not taken an official position on the issue, and so there was no effort to turn out the real working, taxpaying, citizens of the county, who have lost jobs, had family members in wrecks with unlicensed drivers, or even killed by them, to speak at this meeting. The only public call that I am aware of went out from the Coalitionistas and their sub-groups.  If Mr. Gheen was surprised, it is because he is unaware of the power of this political machine and how finely they are willing to grind the little people of the county.

[mamacash]

Pam, Thank you, and thanks also to Randy, who went and actually spoke for the people of the county. I appreciate it. IIt is good to have people stand and speak for the rest of us. Regardless of what exactly you said, I appreciate that you tried to make the point that we the people were not heard from and were not welcomed into this process. I am sorry you were heckled, but having attended several of these meetings in the past, I can tell you that this is the normal reaction to someone disagreeing with the political machine. Still, I am sorry that you were publicly disrespected. I will not always agree with your positions, but your viewpoint is still worth hearing.

The Coalitionistas have a fantastic turnout program, with many, many, people who benefit from their big government programs and have plenty of time to show up.  It is also true, that the last I saw, the CCV had not taken an official position on the issue, and so there was no effort to turn out the real working, taxpaying, citizens of the county, who have lost jobs, had family members in wrecks with unlicensed drivers, or even killed by them, to speak at this meeting. The only public call that I am aware of went out from the Coalitionistas and their sub-groups.  If Mr. Gheen was surprised, it is because he is unaware of the power of this political machine and how finely they are willing to grind the little people of the county.

Thank you...these organizations are very well organized and have their people ready to move at a moments notice...this somehow became a racist issue and I find that unbelievable...I am not a racist, nor do I stand behind the KKK, I see no reason for anything that is not pro-illegal alien to be considered racist...I want to see the criminal element of the illegal population in this country dealt with and jailed or deported after serving their sentence that does not make me a racist...period.

[belle]

mama,  you are not a racist, is any way, shape or form, and by asking for an accounting of the process you were the only one they saw to attack. this is unfortunate, since each one would probably agree with your particular argument.

this whole thing has turned into a witch hunt, everyone needs to realize the resolution is not that big a deal, just let Secure Communities and time and study of actual costs sort it out.

[mamacash]

mama,  you are not a racist, is any way, shape or form, and by asking for an accounting of the process you were the only one they saw to attack. this is unfortunate, since each one would probably agree with your particular argument.

this whole thing has turned into a witch hunt, everyone needs to realize the resolution is not that big a deal, just let Secure Communities and time and study of actual costs sort it out.

I never thought of myself as a racist so it was outside my way of thinking to even visit that thought. Thank's for the support, sometimes you start to question your stand of the issues when you hear 30 some people say if you were not behind the resolution you are racist.

as far as the witch hunt...I am not available for sacrifice anytime soon so they will have to look else where. 

[djkelly]

Unfortunately that's what happens when people respond to emotions and stop thinking about the real issues and facts.

Thank you for being willing to stand up and point out the facts in the face of so many unreasonable people.

mama,  you are not a racist, is any way, shape or form, and by asking for an accounting of the process you were the only one they saw to attack. this is unfortunate, since each one would probably agree with your particular argument.

this whole thing has turned into a witch hunt, everyone needs to realize the resolution is not that big a deal, just let Secure Communities and time and study of actual costs sort it out.

I never thought of myself as a racist so it was outside my way of thinking to even visit that thought. Thank's for the support, sometimes you start to question your stand of the issues when you hear 30 some people say if you were not behind the resolution you are racist.

as far as the witch hunt...I am not available for sacrifice anytime soon so they will have to look else where. 

[bamamama]

Did anyone listen to the sheriff (webster) when he said Chatham could not afford to participate in the ICE program?  We do not have the jail space or officers.
This is another unfunded mandate being tossed around and then down on the heads of local taxpayers.  Now if some other entity wants to come in and pay for the new jail and the new judicial facility needed to process and house all these "criminals", then this would be a debate.  Since that's not going to happen, I don't see the point of any of this discussion.

[ChefMenteur]

I also appreciate Ms. Roper's work and her remarks.

I feel called to add some context, however, to the idea that she was being merely heckled during her presentation. The video shows some of the context, but not all of it.

Ms. Roper repeatedly asked the rhetorical question, and I'm paraphrasing, Has law enforcement in Chatham County abused anyone or split of families? (Something to that effect.)  Now, of course, it was a rhetorical question and did not require an answer. However, there were quite a few people in the audience who had first-hand knowledge of just such abuse and splitting of families, and they felt moved to respond to her question with the answer, "Yes."

This has happened in this county. The latest incident, and the one perhaps most on people's minds at the moment, is the story of the lay preacher at a small downtown Siler City church. He came to the country legally, he was on a two-year work visa, and when it was nearing its expiration, he applied for asylum. He heard nothing from INS, even after repeated inquiries. Then, three weeks ago, he was taken from his house, wife, and children at 4 a.m. by law enforcement and ICE. No one told his family where he would be taken. It was days later before anyone knew that he was being held in Georgia. When lawyers, working pro bono, went to see him, they were denied visitation. At the moment, his wife and children (who are legal residents) have no income, no way to support themselves, and no idea when or how they will see him again.  The community in Siler City and Pittsboro, especially various congregations, have rallied to try to provide support for him and his family. But there is a lot of anger, especially because this was a good, law-abiding man who preached the Word of God and who was trying to play by the rules.

If people in the crowd seemed a little touchy about the assertion, through a rhetorical question, that law enforcement had not been abusive and that Chatham County families had not been split up, perhaps you can understand why. This does not excuse their interrupting Ms. Roper, but I thought I should provide some context. This incident is weighing heavily on a lot of people's minds.

[chathambooks]

I am proud of everyone who spoke at the meeting last night. Sounds like it was a good meeting. Sorry to hear that some cannot control themselves, though!

There were several members of CCV there, but we were not rallying at last night's meeting. We have two other events to focus on.  It seems Voller was reacting to George's request for a big show after seeing ALIPACS threats to show up in force to the meeting.

Whatever the case may be, this thing is not over

[NC YIPPIE]

CHF, perhaps a good portion of the folks who showed up simply don't agree with your position on some of these issues. It is elitist and incorrect to basically say that they were all unemployed tax cheats with nothing better to do. Sure, perhaps a smalll portion of them were, but conservatives such as yourself should take a look in the mirror instead of degrading others who participate in the process. If the liberal side had not shown up, I'm sure you would have said this is indicative of a lack of support. One can reach their own conclusions as to why the conservative side stayed home. 

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