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« on: February 23, 2009, 09:06:23 AM »

Chatham rallies against ICE

Feb 19, 2009 News, Top Story Jump to Comments

http://www.carrborocitizen.com/main/2009/02/19/chatham-rallies-against-ice/
By Taylor Sisk
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Pittsboro — Gary Phillips recalls a march held in 2006 in support of granting citizenship to illegal immigrants. The march began as a group of some 2,000, he said, and as they moved through neighborhoods toward the courthouse that number had doubled as Latinos gathered the courage to join, coming out of “basements and businesses.”

“They were invisible people made visible,” said Phillips, a Silk Hope resident and former Chatham County commissioner. “It was one of the most powerful experiences of my life.”

Last Monday evening was a similar such occasion.

That evening, as the Chatham County Board of Commissioners meeting was called to order, it was announced that due to the fact that 35 people had signed up to speak, the customary 30-minute public input session held at the beginning of each commissioners’ meeting would be extended to 90.

The large upstairs room in the superior courthouse was filled to capacity, the walls lined to their length. What had brought the majority of these folks out was an announcement that the commissioners would hear comments concerning a resolution they had passed declining participation in the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) 287(g) program. The program is formally called the Agreements of Cooperation in Communities to Enhance Safety and Security (ICE ACCESS) and provides money to local law-enforcement agencies to help identify illegal immigrants and process them for deportation.

The commissioners’ resolution is nonbinding – Sheriff Richard Webster could still choose to participate. He’s remained quiet on the issue. But the county isn’t presently qualified to participate in 287(g). It would first require a larger jail.

If Monday night’s commissioners’ meeting is the measure, the majority of Chatham County residents supports the resolution against participation, and applauds the commissioners’ courage in passing it. Of the 35 or so citizens who spoke, four were in opposition to the resolution (two spoke on other issues). In the course of these comments, the words of Shakespeare, Twain, Lincoln, Jesus, God, Shirley Chisholm and an anonymous radio comedian were invoked. Words from the inscription on the Statue of Liberty (“Give me your tired, your poor/Your huddled masses …”) were twice spoken. Speakers on both sides of the issue were articulate and almost unfailingly polite.

As Pittsboro resident Pam Cash-Roper described her opposition — questioning whether there had been reports from Latinos of abuse by local law enforcement and whether families had been separated by 287(g) — several voices from the gallery responded that yes, in fact, there had been. Cash-Roper paused in her comments, requested that she be allowed to say her piece; commission chair George Lucier asked for order and no further outbursts ensued.

Cash-Roper – a lifelong Republican who spoke at the Democratic National Convention, telling of the crippling medical costs she and her husband have encountered, then enthusiastically endorsing Barack Obama – said that while she opposed 287(g), she also opposed the resolution.

“If we do not even qualify for 287(g), then why do we have this resolution?” she asked.

Cash-Roper said that comprehensive immigration reform is what is needed, “not a resolution that divides this county.” She said that she believed more citizens should have been allowed to provide input before the resolution was passed.
Hate mail
A larger contingent of those who oppose the resolution had been expected at Monday night’s meeting. Commissioners had reported receiving hate mail.

According to an email sent out by Esther Coleman, director of the county’s Human Relations Commission: “I have very good reason to believe that several groups identified by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) and the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) as hate groups are fueling some of the communications that the Commissioners are receiving.”

In response, emails were circulating across Chatham County in the days leading up to the meeting, calling on those who support the resolution to turn out in numbers.

They did. The resonance of applause for the more passionate speakers confirmed a clearly pro-resolution crowd.

Several speakers had arrived with statistics to back their claims.
Marty Rosenbluth of the Durham-based Southern Coalition for Social Justice said that 287(g) fails to do what it purports to do: apprehend and deport felons. According to Rosenbluth’s comments, and information posted on the coalition’s website, between January and September 2008 some 3,000 people went through removal proceedings. Of those, 56 percent were charged with vehicle violations.
Del Turner of Gulf said that ICE was appropriately named for its “cold treatment” of immigrants.

ICE, which is an agency of the Department of Homeland Security, has “itself assumed the role of a terrorist organization,” Turner said, in that it targets immigrants and breaks apart families.

Implicit in the comments of many was recognition of the inevitable. Chatham County today has one of the largest Latino populations in the state. Despite any measure, that population will almost certainly continue to grow, and, under current immigration policy, not all will arrive legally.

“When your bellies are growling and your children are crying,” said Tim Keim of Pittsboro, “a line on a map means nothing.”

Paul Cuadros is a professor of journalism at UNC and author of the book A Home on the Field: How One Championship Team Inspires Hope for the Revival of Small Town America about his experience coaching Jordan-Matthews High School’s Latino men’s soccer team to a state championship. He called upon students and graduates of the high school in the audience to stand. These included a young man who’s a Morehead-Cain Scholarship finalist and a young woman at North Carolina A&T who plans to become an FBI agent.

“This is the future of our county,” said Cuadros.

“I’m so proud of Chatham County and so proud of the people gathered here tonight,” Phillips said. “Ms. Roper,” he added, turning to Cash-Roper, who’d spoken against the resolution, “I’m proud of you too – proud of your strength and your openness.”

After all speakers had been heard, Lucier read a list of nine reasons the commission had adopted the resolution, first among them being that since joining would require a new jail, participation would be costly.
“We’d rather build schools than jails,” Lucier said.

Additional reasons cited by Lucier were that joining would take resources away from other anti-crime measures that have proved effective, such as anti-gang programs; that evidence suggests that participation increases the incidence of racial profiling; and that the county must “honor” its diversity.
Phillips later called Lucier’s comments – which were read on behalf of all commissioners – “a very brave statement.”

In a Tuesday interview, Lucier reinforced the role that the encouragement of diversity played in the commission’s decision: “It’s important to embrace that diversity and not be afraid of it. One reason why we passed this resolution was to reflect this reality.”

Gary Phillips recalls that day in 2006 when the invisible became visible:
“Now I see more and more people [in Chatham County] becoming more visible.”
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« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2009, 09:46:28 AM »

How ridiculous can people be. Former Commissioner Gary Phillips' comments in this article illustrate what pandering, traitorous public officials look like.

“They were invisible people made visible,” said Phillips, a Silk Hope resident and former Chatham County commissioner. “It was one of the most powerful experiences of my life.”

I would encourage Mr. Phillips to read his Constitution again, and then look in the faces of all the Americans killed by illegal aliens, especially those here in North Carolina. http://patriotwatchdog.com/OBCVOIACNC.jpg

The only way these invisible citizens will be seen again is with a shovel. They all died because of bleeding hearts in public office who forgot who they took an oath to protect. It was NOT illegal alien insurgents.

ICE cannot solve this problem by themselves. National security begins at home, and all law-abiding citizens have an obligation and duty to protect their fellow citizens from harm. I would encourage Mr. Phillips and all elected officials who feel a need to aid illegal aliens to read the Constitution, and join the Peace Corps. It is obvious they could care less about the lives, jobs, tax dollars, and general safety of the citizens of North Carolina when they pander to illegal aliens, which is a felony.
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« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2009, 03:55:17 PM »

There's an old term I haven't heard in a while, "the silent majority". What they (those in favor of the resoulution) don't realize is that there are many more who are against the commisoner's reslolution than for it and it is my hope that it comes out in the next election.
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« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2009, 04:18:00 PM »

Doesn't Phillips get his input directly from Chapel Hill?  Or am i mixing him up with someone else
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« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2009, 10:38:34 PM »

I thought ICE was supposed to help with homeland security and terrorists? Why on earth are we wasting tax dollars writing speeding tickets and deporting people? Perhaps the constitution you cling to so dearly has been abridged because the copy I received from BJ Lawson's folks and the CATO Institute protects human rights from an overzealous government. Don't tread on me!

And please don't be so quick to go nativist and invite the government to start mass deportations-perhaps they will make a mistake and you will be deported instead. Grin
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« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2009, 10:44:58 PM »

I thought ICE was supposed to help with homeland security and terrorists? Why on earth are we wasting tax dollars writing speeding tickets and deporting people? Perhaps the constitution you cling to so dearly has been abridged because the copy I received from BJ Lawson's folks and the CATO Institute protects human rights from an overzealous government. Don't tread on me!

And please don't be so quick to go nativist and invite the government to start mass deportations-perhaps they will make a mistake and you will be deported instead. Grin
You mean like the tax dollars spent over the last nine months by the Commissioners to research ICE and come up with this bogus resolutoin, or spending $40,000 on a election for just one special ballot  like LBTD.  Come on fools gold LOL Rolling  Plus ICE program of "Secure Communities" does not cost, the feds pay for the software, the training of law enforcement and computors.  And no new jail is needed, that's a bunch of hog wash Roll Eyes
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« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2009, 10:56:39 PM »

The purpose of the human relations board, which is all volunteer with staff support worked on the resolution. As for LBTD that is less than 5% of what a penny raises in taxes for the County. The funds wasted in courtrooms, etc. for ICE programs is quite substantial.  Grin

Support comprehensive immigration reform at the federal level. That is the solution.
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« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2009, 10:59:08 PM »

I thought ICE was supposed to help with homeland security and terrorists? Why on earth are we wasting tax dollars writing speeding tickets and deporting people? Perhaps the constitution you cling to so dearly has been abridged because the copy I received from BJ Lawson's folks and the CATO Institute protects human rights from an overzealous government. Don't tread on me!

And please don't be so quick to go nativist and invite the government to start mass deportations-perhaps they will make a mistake and you will be deported instead. Grin

Who ever said anything about ICE writing speeding tickets?

Immigration and Customs Enforcement - Deporting people that have broken immigration law would be considered Immigration Enforcement.

Despite what the Resolution supporters would have you believe the program in question involves local law enforcement screening everyone they pick up for other charges and bring to the jail for immigration status.

It does not involve ICE or local law enforcement raiding worksites and conducting mass roundups based solely on immigration status.

It comes down to how the local law enforcement negotiates their contract and how professionally they behave.  It has no effect on whatever actions ICE may take on their own, therefore if the Commissioners have a problem with how ICE conducts their activities, this Resolution does nothing about it.  

Most of the 'evidence' provided to support the Resolution was based on ICE worksite raids and roundups of illegal immigrants who ignored deportation orders and has nothing to do with how our local law enforcement here in Chatham County would handle such a program.

The Commissioners claim they're with the majority of counties and cities that didn't join 287(g).  They're mistaken.  They're with the very tiny minority that felt the need to pass a resolution about it.  The overwhelming majority had the good sense to leave the issue alone.

Since it's a non-binding resolution the only thing this Resolution does is divide the community and call into question the integrity of our local law enforcement officers.

For some strange reason that seems to make a lot of you feel much better.
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« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2009, 11:04:32 PM »

Why on earth are we wasting tax dollars writing speeding tickets and deporting people?

Yeah and those DUIs who happen to kill people are no big deal.

BTW, how many 75 in a 55 speeding tickets have you gotten?
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« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2009, 11:10:28 PM »

The purpose of the human relations board, which is all volunteer with staff support worked on the resolution. As for LBTD that is less than 5% of what a penny raises in taxes for the County. The funds wasted in courtrooms, etc. for ICE programs is quite substantial.  Grin

Support comprehensive immigration reform at the federal level. That is the solution.
LOL Rolling  Yup I'd say the HR dept got some volunteer work, by the ACLU, the La Raza Group, the El Pablo group, ect ect.  Plus we  cant's forget the HR dt salary our tax dollers are paying for  Roll Eyes  Sorry Fools Gold, your facts just are not holding up.  I think Hee Haw, Buttermilk  Wink and Fools Gold is our local politicians. 
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« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2009, 08:19:41 AM »

I thought ICE was supposed to help with homeland security and terrorists? Why on earth are we wasting tax dollars writing speeding tickets
Are you suggesting the police stop writing speeding tickets?  Sounds great, I better buy me a faster car!  LOL Rolling

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and deporting people?
Because they are illegally in this country.  If a stranger setup a tent in your backyard and started coming into your house to get food, use the bathroom, etc, exactly how long would it take for you to "deport" them out of your yard, or call someone to do it on your behalf?

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Perhaps the constitution you cling to so dearly has been abridged because the copy I received from BJ Lawson's folks and the CATO Institute protects human rights from an overzealous government. Don't tread on me!
Perhaps you could point us to the part of the constitution that says foreigners can ignore our laws.

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And please don't be so quick to go nativist and invite the government to start mass deportations-perhaps they will make a mistake and you will be deported instead. Grin
Any illegal alien who caught doing something else wrong deserves to be deported. 
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« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2009, 10:59:37 AM »

Doesn't Phillips get his input directly from Chapel Hill?  Or am i mixing him up with someone else

Hey, Randy, tell me if this sounds familiar.

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« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2009, 11:04:19 AM »

Doesn't Phillips get his input directly from Chapel Hill?  Or am i mixing him up with someone else

Hey, Randy, tell me if this sounds familiar.

"if you can't address the facts bud, attack the messenger"
It was a direct questoin and didn't realize it was a attack on anyone, just a questoin and still waiting for a response.  If it came across that way, I apologize.
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« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2009, 02:44:30 PM »

Since we are a Resolution County now and are willing to stand up to the government (as in Federal here) then why don't the Commissioners get the HR department to write a resolution to NOT PAY FEDERAL INCOME TAX, I bet we can get everyone on the same side of resolution issues with this one, I know this sounds like a joke but to me it is no bigger joke than to say we are not going to follow federal immigration laws so why not pass something we can ALL ENJOY.  Cheesy Wink
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