CCV forum sounds like a clan meeting to some

[Mayor Randolph Voller]

DJKelly,

Tim Keim, Michelle Berger and myself all presented information to the County BOC in August, 2007 regarding race based violence and vandalism. Specifically, racial epithets were scrawled on or about the location of Commissioner Carl Thompson's residence. Furthermoe, Commissioner Thompson was the recipient of other threats and as well.  Resolution #2007-38 was adopted sometime after our presentation and I recall it was "Concerning Vandalism with Racial Overtones." (I believe you will find it in the book of resolutions.)  Subsequently, the Town of Pittsboro passed a similar resolution in October of 2007. 

[piper_chuck]

DJKelly,

Tim Keim, Michelle Berger and myself all presented information to the County BOC in August, 2007 regarding race based violence and vandalism. Specifically, racial epithets were scrawled on or about the location of Commissioner Carl Thompson's residence. Furthermoe, Commissioner Thompson was the recipient of other threats and as well.  Resolution #2007-38 was adopted sometime after our presentation and I recall it was "Concerning Vandalism with Racial Overtones." (I believe you will find it in the book of resolutions.)  Subsequently, the Town of Pittsboro passed a similar resolution in October of 2007. 

The thing I took away from her post, and that you confirmed is that there is a precedent for past resolutions to be presented to the BOC at one meeting and then not voted on until people have had a chance to understand the resolution and to provide input.  That's an interesting contrast to the illegal alien sanctuary resolution which was developed outside the BOC and appears to have been ready before the election.  It was not put on the BOC agenda until new commissioners were in place.  The agenda was posted during a holiday week, when many people were away, and was scheduled for the first Monday of the year, a day that is traditionally quite busy for people people who work, so taking time off to attend the BOC meeting wasn't an option.  And then, it was modified and passed during that working session rather than being posted as a draft and soliciting public input. 

[chathambooks]

DJKelly,

Tim Keim, Michelle Berger and myself all presented information to the County BOC in August, 2007 regarding race based violence and vandalism. Specifically, racial epithets were scrawled on or about the location of Commissioner Carl Thompson's residence. Furthermoe, Commissioner Thompson was the recipient of other threats and as well.  Resolution #2007-38 was adopted sometime after our presentation and I recall it was "Concerning Vandalism with Racial Overtones." (I believe you will find it in the book of resolutions.)  Subsequently, the Town of Pittsboro passed a similar resolution in October of 2007. 

I was at that meeting Randy. This "incident" that no one heard of until your show, was used to further your campaigns and automatically paint your opponents as racists. You decried racism in the context of addressing the 07 campaign season - it was part of your letter calling for an election cycle free from attacks, blah blah blah.

It was divisive then and it's divisive now. SICK.

[Mayor Randolph Voller]

Just because you were not aware of racist threats towards Commissioner Thompson and his family during the previous six months to a year does not mean they did not exist nor had ever occurred before we addressed the BOC in August of 2007. 

When we learned of these incidents we immediately brought them to the attention of the BOC.  Given that Dr. Michelle Berger is a tenured african-american professor at UNC-Chapel Hill it was logical and appropriate to bring these incidents to light in the greater context of other similar incidents occurring in the Triangle.  (Issues of intolerance and injustice are not partisan, which is why the Town of Pittsboro later passed a similar resolution as well.)

Given the history of Chatham County, your comments ring hollow and are callous to the many citizens who have experienced the pain of racism, the shadow of fear and recurring verbal and physical violence. Much of it delivered from their own neighbors.

Please walk in their shoes and understand that we are moving beyond that ugly era. It is my sincere hope that these unfortunate diplays of racist graffiti and threats will no longer be an accepted form of communication and intimidation between groups of diverse citizens.

[Linda Felt]

This "incident" that no one heard of until your show...

So are you calling Carl Thompson a liar?

What exactly are you saying?

[chathambooks]

Of course I am not. I am telling the entire story of weak political grandstanding.

[randy]

DJKelly,

Tim Keim, Michelle Berger and myself all presented information to the County BOC in August, 2007 regarding race based violence and vandalism. Specifically, racial epithets were scrawled on or about the location of Commissioner Carl Thompson's residence. Furthermoe, Commissioner Thompson was the recipient of other threats and as well.  Resolution #2007-38 was adopted sometime after our presentation and I recall it was "Concerning Vandalism with Racial Overtones." (I believe you will find it in the book of resolutions.)  Subsequently, the Town of Pittsboro passed a similar resolution in October of 2007. 

The thing I took away from her post, and that you confirmed is that there is a precedent for past resolutions to be presented to the BOC at one meeting and then not voted on until people have had a chance to understand the resolution and to provide input.  That's an interesting contrast to the illegal alien sanctuary resolution which was developed outside the BOC and appears to have been ready before the election.  It was not put on the BOC agenda until new commissioners were in place.  The agenda was posted during a holiday week, when many people were away, and was scheduled for the first Monday of the year, a day that is traditionally quite busy for people people who work, so taking time off to attend the BOC meeting wasn't an option.  And then, it was modified and passed during that working session rather than being posted as a draft and soliciting public input. 

I'm so grateful that all this is coming out in the open so folks may see whats really going on in this county and the last 4 years or so of politics.  It all smells of sour grapes and political sensationalism at it's best.  Everything is so staged anymore, even simple folk as me has began to see right through the smoke screen.  I've never seen local politics so far to the left in my life and bundled up in one big pile of 

[djkelly]

DJKelly,

Tim Keim, Michelle Berger and myself all presented information to the County BOC in August, 2007 regarding race based violence and vandalism. Specifically, racial epithets were scrawled on or about the location of Commissioner Carl Thompson's residence. Furthermoe, Commissioner Thompson was the recipient of other threats and as well.  Resolution #2007-38 was adopted sometime after our presentation and I recall it was "Concerning Vandalism with Racial Overtones." (I believe you will find it in the book of resolutions.)  Subsequently, the Town of Pittsboro passed a similar resolution in October of 2007. 

The thing I took away from her post, and that you confirmed is that there is a precedent for past resolutions to be presented to the BOC at one meeting and then not voted on until people have had a chance to understand the resolution and to provide input.   

That was my point.  The issue was raised during the public comment session and the commissioners proposed a resolution which they passed several about 6 weeks later.  They also proposed asking the human relations commission to work on this to bring the community together rather than pull it apart. 

I guess I didn't realize the political intimidation involved from the public comments.  The details in the Sheriff's report which was given at the January 22, 2008 stuck in my head more than the public comments.  The Sheriff's report made it sound more like it was several isolated incidents so I thought the resolution was more a move against hate vandalism in general than against any specific incident.

[bobsyouruncle]

The thing I took away from her post, and that you confirmed is that there is a precedent for past resolutions to be presented to the BOC at one meeting and then not voted on until people have had a chance to understand the resolution and to provide input... 

I don't understand it that way when I go back and read the minutes. I may be missing something because I only skimmed the minutes of the meetings between the two dates, but it looks to me that Voller  and Keim appeared at the public input session of the August 20 meeting to talk about incidents of vandalism, but they didn't present a resolution at that time.

Lucier referred the matter to the HRC and the Sheriff's dept, and then at the Oct 1 meeting the commissioners were presented with a resolution to consider and they passed it at the same time.

From the Oct 1 Regular meeting of the BOC:

MANAGER’ S REPORTS

Vandalism and Racial Overtones:

The County Manager explained that the following resolution is a follow-up item to
the Board from the August 20th Board of Commissioners’ meeting; that it refines the Board’s
expressed concern of the vandalism that had significant overtones; and that it is ready for
formalized review and adoption if the Board desires.

Commissioner Cross moved, seconded by Commissioner Lucier, to adopt Resolution
#2007-38 Concerning Vandalism with Racial Overtones, attached hereto and by reference
made a part hereof. The motion carried four (4) to zero (0).

Commissioner Vanderbeck asked that the County Manager send the adopted
resolution to other municipalities for their consideration for adoption.

http://www.chathamnc.org/Index.aspx?page=607


That would be the same as when this resolution was introduced and passed at the same meeting with no public hearing, because as Lucier recently said, you don't hold a public hearing about a resolution because it is the expression of an opinion. It isn't binding in the same way that laws are binding.

[piper_chuck]

The thing I took away from her post, and that you confirmed is that there is a precedent for past resolutions to be presented to the BOC at one meeting and then not voted on until people have had a chance to understand the resolution and to provide input... 

I don't understand it that way when I go back and read the minutes. I may be missing something because I only skimmed the minutes of the meetings between the two dates, but it looks to me that Voller  and Keim appeared at the public input session of the August 20 meeting to talk about incidents of vandalism, but they didn't present a resolution at that time.

Lucier referred the matter to the HRC and the Sheriff's dept, and then at the Oct 1 meeting the commissioners were presented with a resolution to consider and they passed it at the same time.

From the Oct 1 Regular meeting of the BOC:

MANAGER’ S REPORTS

Vandalism and Racial Overtones:

The County Manager explained that the following resolution is a follow-up item to
the Board from the August 20th Board of Commissioners’ meeting; that it refines the Board’s
expressed concern of the vandalism that had significant overtones; and that it is ready for
formalized review and adoption if the Board desires.

Commissioner Cross moved, seconded by Commissioner Lucier, to adopt Resolution
#2007-38 Concerning Vandalism with Racial Overtones, attached hereto and by reference
made a part hereof. The motion carried four (4) to zero (0).

Commissioner Vanderbeck asked that the County Manager send the adopted
resolution to other municipalities for their consideration for adoption.

http://www.chathamnc.org/Index.aspx?page=607


That would be the same as when this resolution was introduced and passed at the same meeting with no public hearing, because as Lucier recently said, you don't hold a public hearing about a resolution because it is the expression of an opinion. It isn't binding in the same way that laws are binding.

Wow, could bobs be right that the resolution was only covered in a single meeting?  Here's a homework assignment.  From which BOC meeting did the following come?

"Violence Resolution:
Commissioner Vanderbeck stated that earlier in the evening, Commissioner Lucier
had made a motion in light of what came out in the Public Input Session that they wanted to
ask again that the Sheriff follow-up on the activities that happened; that they also encouraged
the Human Resources Commission to take up this matter and get involved; that he has talked
with some people while on break and he thinks it resonated with him in that he would like to
add one more thing to the resolution, if the Board would agree to say in the resolution that
the “Board condemns the activities” that were brought up at the night’s meeting, that were
cited in the Sheriff’s report, and that the Board will not tolerate actions such as these in the
County."

[bobsyouruncle]

Wow, could bobs be right that the resolution was only covered in a single meeting?  Here's a homework assignment.  From which BOC meeting did the following come?

"Violence Resolution:
Commissioner Vanderbeck stated that earlier in the evening, Commissioner Lucier
had made a motion in light of what came out in the Public Input Session that they wanted to
ask again that the Sheriff follow-up on the activities that happened; that they also encouraged
the Human Resources Commission to take up this matter and get involved; that he has talked
with some people while on break and he thinks it resonated with him in that he would like to
add one more thing to the resolution, if the Board would agree to say in the resolution that
the “Board condemns the activities” that were brought up at the night’s meeting, that were
cited in the Sheriff’s report, and that the Board will not tolerate actions such as these in the
County."

I don't know, and I'm not going to bother to go back and look, because the long and short of it is that after the BOC passed the ICE resolution in January, only 4 or 5 people bothered to show up and speak up against it in February.

But be as sh*tty as you want to be. You may think you're kicking butt, however it's more like you're reminding people over and over that for some sad reason you grew up to be the kind of man who belittles and makes fun of people. I'm sorry.

How many "rolling on the floor laughings" do I get this time?

[randy]

Wow, could bobs be right that the resolution was only covered in a single meeting?  Here's a homework assignment.  From which BOC meeting did the following come?

"Violence Resolution:
Commissioner Vanderbeck stated that earlier in the evening, Commissioner Lucier
had made a motion in light of what came out in the Public Input Session that they wanted to
ask again that the Sheriff follow-up on the activities that happened; that they also encouraged
the Human Resources Commission to take up this matter and get involved; that he has talked
with some people while on break and he thinks it resonated with him in that he would like to
add one more thing to the resolution, if the Board would agree to say in the resolution that
the “Board condemns the activities” that were brought up at the night’s meeting, that were
cited in the Sheriff’s report, and that the Board will not tolerate actions such as these in the
County."

I don't know, and I'm not going to bother to go back and look, because the long and short of it is that after the BOC passed the ICE resolution in January, only 4 or 5 people bothered to show up and speak up against it in February.

But be as sh*tty as you want to be. You may think you're kicking butt, however it's more like you're reminding people over and over that for some sad reason you grew up to be the kind of man who belittles and makes fun of people. I'm sorry.

How many "rolling on the floor laughings" do I get this time?

and the rest were organized special interest groups, the one's at the CCV open forum were only Chatham Couty citizens and regerstered voters.  I'm sorry

[bobsyouruncle]

... the one's at the CCV open forum were only Chatham Couty citizens and regerstered voters.  I'm sorry

Demographic shift distresses residents

BY DAN E. WAY : The Herald-Sun
Feb 28, 2009

"Someone called ICE (U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement) a terrorist
organization," said Maureen Wilson, state director of North Carolina Minutemen, which
counts about 150 members. Like Gorman, she attended Thursday's meeting and said Siler
City is an interesting study of the dynamics of illegal immigration being winked at.

http://heraldsun.southernheadlines.com/chatham/13-1108783.cfm

(requires free registration)

[piper_chuck]

Wow, could bobs be right that the resolution was only covered in a single meeting?  Here's a homework assignment.  From which BOC meeting did the following come?

"Violence Resolution:
Commissioner Vanderbeck stated that earlier in the evening, Commissioner Lucier
had made a motion in light of what came out in the Public Input Session that they wanted to
ask again that the Sheriff follow-up on the activities that happened; that they also encouraged
the Human Resources Commission to take up this matter and get involved; that he has talked
with some people while on break and he thinks it resonated with him in that he would like to
add one more thing to the resolution, if the Board would agree to say in the resolution that
the “Board condemns the activities” that were brought up at the night’s meeting, that were
cited in the Sheriff’s report, and that the Board will not tolerate actions such as these in the
County."

I don't know, and I'm not going to bother to go back and look,

What's the matter, don't want to find out the truth?

because the long and short of it is that after the BOC passed the ICE resolution in January, only 4 or 5 people bothered to show up and speak up against it in February.

The long and short of it is that the February BOC meeting only had 30 minutes scheduled for input.  Many of us knew there was little point showing up because we wouldn't get to speak.  Without notice, when they realized they had plenty of people in support of their sanctuary proclamation, the BOC extended the time for public input, even though it specifically went against what they said in writing in the agenda.  People also knew that Mr Lucier had already promised to attend an open forum held by CCV so they were waiting until that event to attend.

But be as sh*tty as you want to be. You may think you're kicking butt, however it's more like you're reminding people over and over that for some sad reason you grew up to be the kind of man who belittles and makes fun of people. I'm sorry.

It's funny how often you and yours accuse other people of the exact behavior y'all are guilty of.  It's a common tactic for people who have run out of facts to attack the person instead. 

How many "rolling on the floor laughings" do I get this time?

None, because it's sad, not funny, that you continue to ignore facts and when you run out of valid arguments you choose to attack people instead.

[piper_chuck]

... the one's at the CCV open forum were only Chatham Couty citizens and regerstered voters.  I'm sorry

Demographic shift distresses residents

BY DAN E. WAY : The Herald-Sun
Feb 28, 2009

"Someone called ICE (U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement) a terrorist
organization," said Maureen Wilson, state director of North Carolina Minutemen, which
counts about 150 members. Like Gorman, she attended Thursday's meeting and said Siler
City is an interesting study of the dynamics of illegal immigration being winked at.

http://heraldsun.southernheadlines.com/chatham/13-1108783.cfm

(requires free registration)

Cool, it's great that you mentioned that quote.  It goes to show the length the pro-illegal alien camp is willing to go to protect their pet lawbreakers that they would call a legitimate government agency "a terrorist organization" because they enforce the law.

For those who haven't read the article, here's some more"

A quick trip through Siler City illustrates what is happening to Chatham County, Beth Gorman said. "It's Little Mexico."

Gorman is a native-born resident of Chatham County who spent much of her life in the little town of 8,500. She said she now thinks twice about going there after some friends were accosted by groups of Latino males.

She agrees the newcomers are industrious. Too much so, she said following a meeting of Chatham Conservative Voice in far northern Chatham County Thursday night.

"I am for legal immigration. I am not for someone crossing the border illegally and taking our jobs," Gorman said. Yet that's what she insists is happening, especially to local painting and landscaping workers who are displaced by immigrants without legal papers who charge bargain-basement prices.

And she said the liberals advocating for open borders and asylum for those who broke the law to enter the country dampen any civil debate by lodging allegations of racism against anyone who disagrees with them.

"We got called Nazis. We got called slave owners," Gorman said

Yup, good stuff.  The smear campaign being waged by the supporters of the law breaking illegal aliens are finally coming out in the open.

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