Why is it bad for outside groups to help Chatham County?

[girlfrompbo]

And clearly you asked the question with an open mind in the true spirit of inquiry.

[Elvis]

I think "outside" groups are great for helping local grassroots groups gather data and strategy. The real problem I've seen with bringing in these groups is that it gives the BOC an excuse to dismiss any opposition to their actions. They simply claim that local residents don't hold these views, it's just national activists stirring things up. Many of us know that's not the case but as you've seen, Commissioner Lucier often uses these groups to dismiss and marginalize any chatham citizen with an opposing view. Additionally, in the case of ALIPAC, it is a major distraction to the discussion of illegal immigration and upholding the rule of law. For some reason, Mr. Gheen is redirecting the conversation to individual people rather than the issue at hand. Just my 2 cents.

[girlfrompbo]

Thank you for recognizing that. I certainly did ask the question with an open mind and would like to have a believable answer.

The ones you got were perfectly reasonable to a person in a reasonable frame of mind.

[NC YIPPIE]

Randy, neither have I witnessed Alipac doing anything that is illegal or unethical.

How about tacky & unprofessional? 

[Linda Felt]

I have no particular love for Heather, but she didn't deserve to be thrown under the bus like that.  At the very least ALIPAC/Mean Gheen might remember the old adage, "dance with who brung ya".

Tacky and unprofessional indeed.

[randy]

I think "outside" groups are great for helping local grassroots groups gather data and strategy. The real problem I've seen with bringing in these groups is that it gives the BOC an excuse to dismiss any opposition to their actions. They simply claim that local residents don't hold these views, it's just national activists stirring things up. Many of us know that's not the case but as you've seen, Commissioner Lucier often uses these groups to dismiss and marginalize any chatham citizen with an opposing view. Additionally, in the case of ALIPAC, it is a major distraction to the discussion of illegal immigration and upholding the rule of law. For some reason, Mr. Gheen is redirecting the conversation to individual people rather than the issue at hand. Just my 2 cents.

[randy]

Randy, neither have I witnessed Alipac doing anything that is illegal or unethical.

How about tacky & unprofessional? 

Uh, lets talk about "tacky & unprofessional" when our BOC were the first to bring in outside special interest groups into our local govt and listened to their input and just "mooted" citizens input    Which is really worse and affected the county the most, hmm. No brainer if you ask me.  And then when Chatham County citizens spoke up to have the ICE resolutoin rescended, Commsoiner Lucier said it was a moot point, he stated in the Newspaper interview.  Not one Commsoiner or Sherif Webster has spoke out since.  These are our elected officials and public servants that are suppose to represent us, not special interest groups from outside our county that don't even live here.  I was willoing to give the BOC and Sheriff Webster a chance to redeem themselves, but apparently they've all decided not to.   So I will do my best to get them voted out of office and place representatives that will listen to it's citizens.

[belle]

now. Barbara, those of us who are evolved know reason is a limitation. in fact, granting PBOgirl magical powers is a good start.

some of us have imaginative minds.

[belle]

maybe people worry about outsiders being given a foot in the door on local leadership roles. outside groups are experts in their field, good sources of information.
but leadership should be local. on each side, there has been a problem with keeping the 2 separate.

the BOC is local leadership, however, they used outside experts in their decision.

the CCV made the mistake of giving the floor to a power  freak who had his outsider agenda foremost in his mind. Heather restored her possession of the leadership, at some cost, but stronger.

just be wary, that's all, know what I mean?

[girlfrompbo]

sorry, I didn't see it as rude just as an observation.

[ALIPAC]

Highly unprofessional? Antics?
 

You mean like personally attacking someone for your own political gain? Or do you mean writing positive stories about yourself? Even folks who disagree with CCV can see you seem more interested in positioning for political points, whining and attacking others than doing much positive.

I did not initiate any attacks on others here.  I merely defended myself against political aggressors that were viciously attacking me and anyone else speaking out against the measure.  If defending myself and the free speech of others is to much for you, then so be it.

W

[ALIPAC]

Actually, we are advising anyone that wants to oppose the BOC decision to block immigration enforcement to avoid working with Heather Johnson or CCV while she is playing a lead roll in it.  Heather completely screwed the proverbial pooch on these operations.

While ALIPAC has conducted successful operations around the state and nation, we got off on the wrong foot because Heather Johnson invited me to speak at her CCV meeting and I did not know how duplicitous and inexperienced in leadership she was.

She has spent most of her time attacking me and ALIPAC because she wants to gain some local political power and was upset that me and my organization garnered so much attention instead of her.

We are advising our people to avoid CCV and Heather and soon enough, most of the people in CCV (many of which recently joined due to my participation earlier) will be advised of Heather's open and destructive attacks on me and ALIPAC here and in the local papers.

Highly unprofessional and immature actions from Heather cost us most of the momentum in Chatham. 

To date, Heather Johnson has been the most negative experience I've ever had working with someone that was supposed to be on our side of the issue in the four years Ive been doing this around the nation.

Hopefully, some new leadership will arise in Chatham or even within CCV that will displace Heather and her antics so progress can be made.

W

Cheap shot. And for what purpose?

Not a cheap shot, just the facts.  ALIPAC has conducted many successful operations around North Carolina and the nation against the same kind of political foes you face in Chatham that want illegal aliens to be able to victimize you and your family via criminal acts without facing deportation.

From our experiences in Chatham and abroad, and from the recommendations of multiple other organization heads that are monitoring the situation, we feel that a successful change in Chatham will be impossible while Heather and Hal keep trying to run it.

Heather and Hal have short circuited organized opposition to the Sanctuary status in Chatham that most other groups will not engage until new leadership replaces them in CCV or outside of CCV taking this issue on correctly in a way befitting of people with true leadership abilities that will succeed.

W

[WolfpackFan]

Who is Hal?

[girlfrompbo]

For those of you keeping score at home you can credit ALIPAC with one "playing victim" and one "transparent emotional appeal".

[ALIPAC]

Who is Hal?

Hal is Heather's partner that wants to run the show in Chatham and ended up sitting there alone in front of an audience after Lucier played them like a cheap fiddle.

Hal told me that he and Heather wanted to experiment on things on their own instead of utilizing any tried and true strategies ALIPAC would bring to the table.  The locals in power know how to play Heather and Hal because the local political status quo has been dominating their attempts to gain power for quite some time.

Heather told me quite directly that our goals were not the same.  Her goals are to try to build up more local political power for herself using a wedge issue.  You can see this in her constant contradictory remarks about who she does or does not support and does CCV oppose the resolution or is neutral, etc...

ALIPAC's goal is to save lives, secure our communities, and secure local enforcement of our existing immigration laws which requires putting the American majority back in control of local and Federal governments.

ALIPAC's involvement in Chatham was necessitated by the fact that the illegal aliens and their supporters are dominating Americans that disagree flagrantly.  We entered to defend and try to reverse the situation but were thwarted by duplicitous statements and actions by Heather Johnson.

Heather is now in the very unfortunate position she has put herself in.  The illegal alien supporters in Chatham will play her and use her to their advantage but will always hold her back politically.  Those that favor local immigration enforcement will also dislike Heather as they learn more about her and what she has done to harm this effort.

Eventually, she will be marginalized by both sides of the debate.

W

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