Why is it bad for outside groups to help Chatham County?

[Buzz]

Statement made by Chathambooks:

I did not seek out Gheen. These people contacted CCV. I absolutely regret giving him the floor and I have to take responsibility for that.

But these groups were coming regardless. They were coming along with the ACLU, Southern Poverty Law Center and Coalition for Social Justice, El Pueblo.

NONE of these groups have any business having an impact on our county. I thought Gheen would provide education on an the issue since the commissioners did not bother.

Many other groups are trying to get in on this because they follow this issue and those groups. I noticed El Pueblo and Gheen talking and they knew each other well. They all travel in the same packs. Wreaking havoc on communities everywhere.

My question is why is it a bad thing to accept help from the groups listed above about the issue of illegal immigration?

[girlfrompbo]

Because they have their own agendas and do not care as much as "insiders" do about what is actually good for the county.

[Buzz]

But isn't their agenda to help fight illegal immigration?

[chathambooks]

Barbara, how about not talking about them and they will go away.

Hopefully CAN isn't thinking of working with these people.

[Buzz]

Who is Barbara? and what is can? I posted a question what is your problem?

[chathambooks]

You really do need to remember what you post:

I think the CCV and groups meet out their once a month at Halley Bells or something like that.  I'll check with Heather

The Chatham Alliance of Nonpartisans meets at Best Foods Cafeteria the 1st Wed. of every month at 7:00 PM.  Last month they had 80 people attend a forum about the Proposed Major Corridor Ordinance.  This group is referred to as CAN.  This group has been in existed about 2  or 3 years.  It appears to me that this is a very solid group of people made up of old line Chathamites from Siler City, Pittsboro, Bear Creek and surrounding areas.

[girlfrompbo]

But isn't their agenda to help fight illegal immigration?

well, I see a variety of organizations named above and they have a variety of agendas.

The point is that they don't care about what is best for Chatham, they care about advancing their agenda on a national scale.  Their information and input is valuable but the citizens of Chatham need to make the decisions and its hard to do that when outside organizations are overrunning the place.

[piper_chuck]

But isn't their agenda to help fight illegal immigration?

If a person supports illegal aliens then any "outside" group who advocates enforcement of immigration laws is easily viewed as a bad influence.  OTOH, if one supports enforcement of immigration laws, any "outside" group who supports illegal aliens is easily viewed as a bad influence.  If the outside group is being honest, and deals in facts, let them speak.  Unfortunately, some groups, and they're on both sides, can't stick to the facts and instead rely on distortions, misinformation, and appeals to emotion.  

[randy]

But isn't their agenda to help fight illegal immigration?

If a person supports illegal aliens then any "outside" group who advocates enforcement of immigration laws is easily viewed as a bad influence.  OTOH, if one supports enforcement of immigration laws, any "outside" group who supports illegal aliens is easily viewed as a bad influence.  If the outside group is being honest, and deals in facts, let them speak.  Unfortunately, some groups, and they're on both sides, can't stick to the facts and instead rely on distortions, misinformation, and appeals to emotion.  

[girlfrompbo]

But isn't their agenda to help fight illegal immigration?

If a person supports illegal aliens then any "outside" group who advocates enforcement of immigration laws is easily viewed as a bad influence.  OTOH, if one supports enforcement of immigration laws, any "outside" group who supports illegal aliens is easily viewed as a bad influence.  If the outside group is being honest, and deals in facts, let them speak.  Unfortunately, some groups, and they're on both sides, can't stick to the facts and instead rely on distortions, misinformation, and appeals to emotion.  

well put.

[Buzz]

I watched Mr. Gheem speak on the video posted from the meeting.  He did not strike me as one that was not telling the truth or at least telling the truth as he perceived it.  I just feel that sometimes we need all the help we can get in this county to defeat some of the rules and regulations that this board of commissioners are seeing fit to implement.  The resolution on illegal immigration was passed without imput from the citizens and we do not have local groups in this county that are capable of stopping other resolutions from being passed.  We have no strong groups in our county and that is why I feel it is necessary to have the help of outside groups?

[chathambooks]

I know that CAN has very good hard working folks in it that really believe in what they are doing.

Please be careful and don't get mixed up with the likes of the outside groups we have seen.

Chatham folks can fight for open government on our own.

[randy]

I watched Mr. Gheem speak on the video posted from the meeting.  He did not strike me as one that was not telling the truth or at least telling the truth as he perceived it.  I just feel that sometimes we need all the help we can get in this county to defeat some of the rules and regulations that this board of commissioners are seeing fit to implement.  The resolution on illegal immigration was passed without imput from the citizens and we do not have local groups in this county that are capable of stopping other resolutions from being passed.  We have no strong groups in our county and that is why I feel it is necessary to have the help of outside groups?

Then come and join the CCV which is made up of "all" Chatham County citizens. though I do agree with you on some level, these pro illegal immagratoin orgs have a lot of money pouring into them and political power behind ther scene as we saw on the night of the BOC meeting the 16th, we don't have a dime, but we do vote and have open and honest public forums

[NC YIPPIE]

I don't think it is wrong the accept help from outside groups, I just don't always appreciate the advice of people who don't live here about local issues. Like all the people from Raleigh or California giving me advice about how great Briar Chapel traffic would be on my street or whatever. I'm not talking about one issue, I'm talking about most issues though. It's kind of like a relative you've never really known very well getting all up in your personal beeswax. If you ask them for advice or you have a good relation, that's cool. But if they just start cracking on you and give you lame advice without even knowing the true facts, adios. Basically, I guess, if they can help you and you aren't being all sneaky and whatnot, it's all good. Depending on the group, I may not be jumping for joy, but it is what it is as they say. You don't always need a weathervane to know which way the wind blows and all.  "Rock on" as Randy says.  

[randy]

I don't think it is wrong the accept help from outside groups, I just don't always appreciate the advice of people who don't live here about local issues. Like all the people from Raleigh or California giving me advice about how great Briar Chapel traffic would be on my street or whatever. I'm not talking about one issue, I'm talking about most issues though. It's kind of like a relative you've never really known very well getting all up in your personal beeswax. If you ask them for advice or you have a good relation, that's cool. But if they just start cracking on you and give you lame advice without even knowing the true facts, adios. Basically, I guess, if they can help you and you aren't being all sneaky and whatnot, it's all good. Depending on the group, I may not be jumping for joy, but it is what it is as they say. You don't always need a weathervane to know which way the wind blows and all.  "Rock on" as Randy says.  

go figure, I expected this kind of response from you.  Always a loop hold with this outside help issue  It's the vote that counts at the end of the day, rather if I'm right or wrong    We could of had tons of outside help, seriously, if we wanted it.  Their are many that are almost begging to come here, we have chosen to do it ourselves with Chatham citizens only, but that's my group.  I don't have any control over someone else's organization, but would be wise for all of us to come together as citizen groups to battle this issue ourselves.  It's the other side that has all the outside help, not us.

But this is one of many things on our agenda, the John Locke Foundation on the radical land use plan is another were tackling of the land grab of private ownership of land.
http://www.tccv.org/content/view/44/34/

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