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« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2009, 07:11:02 PM » |
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Mayor, the crop analogy actually works. Good. It is true, that all things being equal, that some years crops do well and some years they do not. But, it if a foolish and broke farmer who pays no attention to what is more likely to flourish BEFORE he plants. To go off half-cocked, spending money, just hoping for a crop, without determining what is known to grow, without assuring proper weather conditions to be the norm, without assuring a water supply adequate to the needs of the crop, or proper soil type, is to assure failure and wasted resources. Planting oranges here in Chatham County might be foolish, but corn might be expected to grow here. Even if they might grow in the region, proper nutrients might have to be provided to the soil
What wisdom it might have been had you done the due diligence to see what ridership would actually use the bus. You might well have saved the taxpayers some money. Imagine how heroic you might have looked, to say you believe in mass transit, but that the study shows it would be a waste to attempt it in our community at this time, so you would not advocate wasting tax payer money, even for your own pet project. As we grow into the future, there may come a time, and then I will come back and advocate that we move forward. You might have gained some real respect in our community.
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« Reply #16 on: September 08, 2009, 08:58:04 PM » |
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My background in team sports informs my approach to the challenges our town faces.
Holy Cow, my kids play rec league ball. Based on what Randolph is saying, I guess they are qualified to be mayors of Pittsboro, too!
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The bottom line is the iPhone and modern medicine came from democracy and the free market, not a government agency.
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« Reply #17 on: September 08, 2009, 09:00:33 PM » |
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A farmer would be foolish to plant a crop no one needed and for which there was no demand.
But then, farmers (small farmers that is) rarely spend other people's money, especially for all of the things on their wish lists.
Nor do farmers seek the spotlight at every opportunity to say how they've successfully spent other peoples' money.
And only a foolish farmer buys over-size equipment for his needs. Most will buy used equipment before buying new...
And only a "big hat, no cattle" farmer would buy into a money-losing proposition, knowing ahead of time that it was such.
Full disclaimer: I can not vote in the Pittsboro election (unless someone knows of some rental property, available prior to the election, into which I can move). However, I feel entitled to comment based on the amazing ability of the Mayor to get his Commissioner buds to pony up my tax dollars for his pet projects. As long as he's spending my tax money, I will stand by the time-honored slogan of "no taxation without representation" and my opinion will be heard.
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« Reply #18 on: September 08, 2009, 09:04:10 PM » |
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A farmer would be foolish to plant a crop no one needed and for which there was no demand.
But then, farmers (small farmers that is) rarely spend other people's money, especially for all of the things on their wish lists.
Nor do farmers seek the spotlight at every opportunity to say how they've successfully spent other peoples' money.
And only a foolish farmer buys over-size equipment for his needs. Most will buy used equipment before buying new...
And only a "big hat, no cattle" farmer would buy into a money-losing proposition, knowing ahead of time that it was such.
I love farmer jokes, too, did you hear the one about the farmer that counted his cattles' legs, and divided by four?
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« Reply #19 on: September 08, 2009, 09:04:52 PM » |
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Actually, playing well together on a team towards a common goal is something that with which many adults could use more experience. ( I would normally say "that adults could use more experience with", but with the recent discussion of ending sentences with a preposition, I defer to the more grammatically correct.)
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« Reply #20 on: September 08, 2009, 09:07:06 PM » |
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No one said Randy "played well" on a team... And sometimes teams can cheat and get away with it... But I digress.
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« Reply #21 on: September 08, 2009, 09:11:13 PM » |
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Obstacles, whether great or small, are more easily overcome when people at all levels work together with experienced and knowledgeable leadership. Randy Voller,
Mayor of Pittsboro
Are you putting yourself up as an example of experienced and knowledgable leadership? You can't even provide direct answers to questions! You don't even know what the ridership numbers are for new Pittsboro Bus. You take credit for all the hard work the Pittsboro staff do? This is true on the court and on the field Do you mean "in" the court? How did those all turn out? And are you playing the field? Pittsboro deserves the dedicated and experienced team Let's keep the dedicated hardworking staff people of Pittsboro and get ride of the Niedermeyer. 
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The bottom line is the iPhone and modern medicine came from democracy and the free market, not a government agency.
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« Reply #22 on: September 08, 2009, 10:18:04 PM » |
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Mayor, the crop analogy actually works. Good. It is true, that all things being equal, that some years crops do well and some years they do not. But, it if a foolish and broke farmer who pays no attention to what is more likely to flourish BEFORE he plants. To go off half-cocked, spending money, just hoping for a crop, without determining what is known to grow, without assuring proper weather conditions to be the norm, without assuring a water supply adequate to the needs of the crop, or proper soil type, is to assure failure and wasted resources.
Except to complete this analogy, we'd need to stipulate that the farmer is using other people's money to fund his ill conceived venture. Add to that the fact that most of the people would never get to share in the fruits of their coerced investment. Even if it panned out. Edited to add: Oops, didn't read Camper's post closely enough. He beat me to it.
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« Reply #23 on: September 08, 2009, 10:25:35 PM » |
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Octoberfest ale in Two weeks
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« Reply #24 on: September 08, 2009, 10:27:06 PM » |
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Please explain. How is this coerced? (Generally urban areas have subsidized rural areas nationally and not the other way around...) Apparently you do not want the county to invest capital in transit. Why?
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« Reply #25 on: September 08, 2009, 10:28:31 PM » |
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Garboon-very funny  cheers to Octoberfest!
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« Reply #26 on: September 08, 2009, 10:39:54 PM » |
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Garboon-very funny  cheers to Octoberfest! I'm just sick of the bickering man - where do the decent folk hang out?
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« Reply #27 on: September 08, 2009, 10:51:50 PM » |
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Please explain. How is this coerced? (Generally urban areas have subsidized rural areas nationally and not the other way around...) Apparently you do not want the county to invest capital in transit. Why?
Taxes aren't voluntary, hence they are coerced. Did you really not understand that concept or are you being purposely obtuse? I think it is obviously the latter. Investing in transit makes sense when: - It serves a large sector of the population, not just one town - It makes sense economically in regards to generating revenue here in Chatham County - There is existing demand for it, not just speculation - A private option (such as a van pool co-op) is not feasible - The scale and cost of the project matches the projected ridership Since the "magic bus" fits none of those criteria, it should never have been put in place. Why are you for coercing people (investing is a euphemistic misnomer) into funding something that doesn't make good economic sense? We've been over these points time and time again. The fact that you are asking either means you haven't been paying attention or you're just asking the same tired questions in the hopes that I won't answer them. In my estimation Mr. Voller is too interested in fuzzy headed ideas like "sustainable communities" and shameless self promotion at the expense of other people that actually did the work. I live in Pittsboro. I will not be voting for Mr. Voller. Oh and Mr. Voller? Could you do us a small favor come election time? When you're running around picking up Democrat voters in and around town, would you be so kind as to not haul rear end through our neighborhood? I know you were in a hurry and all, being that it was a big runoff election between Harrington and Berger, but we have small children around here and would prefer that you at least try to observe the speed limit.
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« Reply #28 on: September 09, 2009, 12:18:25 PM » |
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This one's for you, IntegrityTicket and Charles39: 
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« Reply #29 on: September 09, 2009, 12:29:21 PM » |
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Back at ya! This one's for you and all of your Coalition friends who drink the Voller Kool Aid. 
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The bottom line is the iPhone and modern medicine came from democracy and the free market, not a government agency.
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