Why do they laugh at me?

[NC YIPPIE]

Isn't the county budget less than it was last year?

[snowcamper]

Somebody has to pay for all the programs parents want in public schools.  You can not have it both ways. 

The simple word is "no".

No, parents can't have everything they want in schools.
No, the citizens can't afford ever rising taxes on ever shrinking budgets.
No, people can't move here for lower taxes and then demand more services "like where they came from".
No, the county commissioners can not meet every need, and they must set priorities, keeping the taxpayer at the top of every list.
No, our schools do not have to be the "top of the line" in appearance, but only in performance.  And NO, facilities do not make a school "good".
No, "someone doesn't have to pay for all of the programs someone wants".

[peacefulcapitalist]

Somebody has to pay for all the programs parents want in public schools.  You can not have it both ways. 

The simple word is "no".

No, parents can't have everything they want in schools.
No, the citizens can't afford ever rising taxes on ever shrinking budgets.
No, people can't move here for lower taxes and then demand more services "like where they came from".
No, the county commissioners can not meet every need, and they must set priorities, keeping the taxpayer at the top of every list.
No, our schools do not have to be the "top of the line" in appearance, but only in performance.  And NO, facilities do not make a school "good".
No, "someone doesn't have to pay for all of the programs someone wants".

No, we can't approve thousands of new homes over a 4 year period and expect it not to cost the county taxpayers anything.

[WolfpackFan]

Somebody has to pay for all the programs parents want in public schools.  You can not have it both ways. 

The simple word is "no".

No, parents can't have everything they want in schools.
No, the citizens can't afford ever rising taxes on ever shrinking budgets.
No, people can't move here for lower taxes and then demand more services "like where they came from".
No, the county commissioners can not meet every need, and they must set priorities, keeping the taxpayer at the top of every list.
No, our schools do not have to be the "top of the line" in appearance, but only in performance.  And NO, facilities do not make a school "good".
No, "someone doesn't have to pay for all of the programs someone wants".

No, we can't approve thousands of new homes over a 4 year period and expect it not to cost the county taxpayers anything.

Do you mean approve or build?

[peacefulcapitalist]

Somebody has to pay for all the programs parents want in public schools.  You can not have it both ways. 

The simple word is "no".

No, parents can't have everything they want in schools.
No, the citizens can't afford ever rising taxes on ever shrinking budgets.
No, people can't move here for lower taxes and then demand more services "like where they came from".
No, the county commissioners can not meet every need, and they must set priorities, keeping the taxpayer at the top of every list.
No, our schools do not have to be the "top of the line" in appearance, but only in performance.  And NO, facilities do not make a school "good".
No, "someone doesn't have to pay for all of the programs someone wants".

No, we can't approve thousands of new homes over a 4 year period and expect it not to cost the county taxpayers anything.

Do you mean approve or build?

When you approve these things you assume they will get built and you have to plan the infrastructure they require -- police, fire, schools, water, inspections, etc etc.   That's exactly what Lucier said at the meeting that this thread is about, that we have to plan for how we will pay for all this infrastructure.

I guess we could approve a million new homes without it costing the taxpayers anything, as long as we assume they will never get built.  But I haven't heard of any developers who go to the trouble and expense of securing approvals without intending to build, even if that construction is delayed by a recession they don't walk away, and even if they do the permits have a way of sticking around.   Look at The Preserve, where the first developer actually did walk away and a new one came in and bought the permits and approvals and land and picked up where the first one left off.

[WolfpackFan]

Somebody has to pay for all the programs parents want in public schools.  You can not have it both ways. 

The simple word is "no".

No, parents can't have everything they want in schools.
No, the citizens can't afford ever rising taxes on ever shrinking budgets.
No, people can't move here for lower taxes and then demand more services "like where they came from".
No, the county commissioners can not meet every need, and they must set priorities, keeping the taxpayer at the top of every list.
No, our schools do not have to be the "top of the line" in appearance, but only in performance.  And NO, facilities do not make a school "good".
No, "someone doesn't have to pay for all of the programs someone wants".

No, we can't approve thousands of new homes over a 4 year period and expect it not to cost the county taxpayers anything.

Do you mean approve or build?

When you approve these things you assume they will get built and you have to plan the infrastructure they require -- police, fire, schools, water, inspections, etc etc.   That's exactly what Lucier said at the meeting that this thread is about, that we have to plan for how we will pay for all this infrastructure.

I guess we could approve a million new homes without it costing the taxpayers anything, as long as we assume they will never get built.  But I haven't heard of any developers who go to the trouble and expense of securing approvals without intending to build, even if that construction is delayed by a recession they don't walk away, and even if they do the permits have a way of sticking around.   Look at The Preserve, where the first developer actually did walk away and a new one came in and bought the permits and approvals and land and picked up where the first one left off.

I agree, except that usually a delay in building is not accompanied by a delay in raising taxes?

Can I ask how much tax money we will be short when these houses are built?

[RandysRight]

So the fees would not affect you, however, overcrowded schools and the lack of investment in them could affect your ability to sell your property.  Of course a complete lack of regulation, which you have fervently expoused, would also cause a meltdown in the real estate market, too. 

Since you are not a builder, nor most likely a net payer taxes what is your beef?  Are you being paid and/or directed by others like Dick Armey to create static? Be honest.

my beef is that your bussiness and politics and is why I'm fighting every level of corruption, from local, state and nation.  Your shady  business practices are well known, not from this board, but from everyone whoever mentions you in the communty, unless it's one of your moonbat following.  Mr Voller, you are much more well known throughout the the triangle area than you could ever realize by conservative groups as well as the Chatham county BOC as liberal dysfunctionals.  I am confident things will change, that I am absolutely assured of over time.

[SeeingAllSides]

Sigh.

This would be quite educational were it not for all the petty, personal bickering...

[Clyde]

That's all that comes out of your educated head is fees and gimmee gimmee gimmee!

since when is having "an educated head" a bad thing?

[Charles39]

So the fees would not affect you, however, overcrowded schools and the lack of investment in them could affect your ability to sell your property.  Of course a complete lack of regulation, which you have fervently expoused, would also cause a meltdown in the real estate market, too. 

Since you are not a builder, nor most likely a net payer taxes what is your beef?  Are you being paid and/or directed by others like Dick Armey to create static? Be honest.

my beef is that your bussiness and politics and is why I'm fighting every level of corruption, from local, state and nation.  Your shady  business practices are well known, not from this board, but from everyone whoever mentions you in the communty, unless it's one of your moonbat following.  Mr Voller, you are much more well known throughout the the triangle area than you could ever realize by conservative groups as well as the Chatham county BOC as liberal dysfunctionals.  I am confident things will change, that I am absolutely assured of over time.

Why does everyone say you are crazy?  It looks like you know what you are talking about.

[munn5]

Isn't the county budget less than it was last year?

2009-10 approved budget
Total Property Valuation: $8.5 billion
Tax Rate 60.22 cents
Total Property Tax Revenue: $50,309,194
Total General Fund: $80,495,239
Total Water Fund: $6,272,797
Total Waste Management Fund: $3,691,827


2008-09 approved budget
Total Property Valuation: $7.4 billion
Tax Rate 65.63 cents
Total Property Tax Revenue: $48,199,017
Total General Fund: $82,482,269
Total Water Fund: $5,163,799
Total Waste Management Fund: $3,964,151

[srvfan]

right. newly constructed home(s) mean that many more  citizens who need services. impact fee.

buy a new home, small LLT to spread the expense to all.

how about a tax on rental income?

(heehee)

Is the impact of a 4 bedroom house more than the impact of a 3 bedroom house? 

Possibly, but which of these has a bigger impact on the county?

A> 2 bedroom house, parents with 1 or 2 children

or

B> Retired couple building a 3 bedroom house



I'm here, my house is built,  it's possible I'll build another one in the future, but if I do I'll "work around" the impact fee one way or another, it's like a lot of other taxes, it really isn't too hard to avoid or make up somewhere else.  I propose we just turn Chatham County into one big gated community, with a big up front entry fee, i.e. impact tax on newcomers.  The bigger the better, that will also increase the value of our existing houses since they won't be subject to the impact fee, so if the impact fee on a new 4 bedroom house is 12K and you're selling a 4 bedroom house you could add 6 to 8K to your asking price and the buyer would still come out ahead of building a new house.

[djkelly]

It's very possible a significant number of the approved homes will never be built.

Because of the delays caused by the economy some of the developments need extensions on their permits which the BOC may or may not grant.  I know some have not been granted already.  In order to develop that land in the future the whole permitting process will start over with the developer subject to the new regulations recently put into place which will significantly reduce the number of homes that can be built on the land.

A number of develoments have revamped their plans since original approval reducing the number of homes proposed.

At least one housing development has been scrapped and turned into a proposal for a cemetery.

Those are just a few examples and I'm sure there will be others.  It's extremely difficult for a proposed development to add homes but there are plenty of ways for them to reduce the number.

[djkelly]

Isn't the county budget less than it was last year?

2009-10 approved budget
Total Property Valuation: $8.5 billion
Tax Rate 60.22 cents
Total Property Tax Revenue: $50,309,194
Total General Fund: $80,495,239
Total Water Fund: $6,272,797
Total Waste Management Fund: $3,691,827


2008-09 approved budget
Total Property Valuation: $7.4 billion
Tax Rate 65.63 cents
Total Property Tax Revenue: $48,199,017
Total General Fund: $82,482,269
Total Water Fund: $5,163,799
Total Waste Management Fund: $3,964,151

but it was revenue neutral!


Gotta love government definitions.

[srvfan]

No, we can't approve thousands of new homes over a 4 year period and expect it not to cost the county taxpayers anything.

Wasn't there an impact tax in place before those homes were approved?

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