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« Reply #15 on: September 24, 2009, 08:26:40 AM » |
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AH, but they are far more Progressive (radical) than your average Chatham Democrat  They typical don't see eye to eye with the CCDP from what I understand.
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« Reply #16 on: September 24, 2009, 08:29:48 AM » |
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I know several Chatham Democrats that are not very happy right now. They tend to be the more conservative democrats.
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« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2009, 09:06:48 AM » |
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I know several Chatham Democrats that are not very happy right now. They tend to be the more conservative democrats.
It's not just the more conservative Democrats. There are a lot of Democrats in Chatham who are not fans of the Coalition. It's too simplistic to say they are one and the same. The view that some people have that the Coalition has a complete stranglehold on Democrats, or even liberals, in the county is simply incorrect. Personally I'll work with the Coalition when they support who I support, and will (and have) work against them when I don't agree with their endorsements.
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« Reply #18 on: September 24, 2009, 10:18:57 AM » |
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AH, but they are far more Progressive (radical) than your average Chatham Democrat  They typical don't see eye to eye with the CCDP from what I understand. That is too bad. Radical anything blinds that person to seeing anything else as possible. That is why I am unaffilited. To me the party system just divides government and not much gets done. Divides citzens too. I never understood why you have to belong to one or the other. I like and dislike some of both.
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« Reply #19 on: September 24, 2009, 10:44:01 AM » |
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Take if from a Progressive Democrat, support of the Chatham Coalition has nothing to do with Conservative or Liberal bent. Among my most liberal friends, there are very few that support the Coalition. Many of us may have supported some of the same positions they did on slow growth, etc., but we do not agree with them on their tactics, all of their positions or the candidates they support. I found their attempt to unseat loyal Democrat Mike Cross with Jeffrey Starkweather to be extremely troubling.
So as much as Chathambooks and Mary would like to be able to parlay the dislike of the coalition into a weapon to use against all Democrats, it is just dishonest to do so.
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« Reply #20 on: September 24, 2009, 11:27:49 AM » |
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I wasn't doing that at all. In fact, I believe I illustrated the opposite of what you are saying. Read my earlier posts on this thread.
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« Reply #21 on: September 24, 2009, 01:04:40 PM » |
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My understanding, based purely on conversations with people who no longer feel welcome as democrats, is that the coalition took over the local dem party and purged it. There is no longer any diversity in that party or tolerance of people who do not swear fealty to them.
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« Reply #22 on: September 24, 2009, 01:07:26 PM » |
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So as much as Chathambooks and Mary would like to be able to parlay the dislike of the coalition into a weapon to use against all Democrats, it is just dishonest to do so.
I do not want to use any weapon against any party and feel that was not my intention. I believe each to his own. I will just ignore them.
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« Reply #23 on: September 24, 2009, 01:48:46 PM » |
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My understanding, based purely on conversations with people who no longer feel welcome as democrats, is that the coalition took over the local dem party and purged it. There is no longer any diversity in that party or tolerance of people who do not swear fealty to them.
Depends on how you define diversity.
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« Reply #24 on: September 24, 2009, 01:57:50 PM » |
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My understanding, based purely on conversations with people who no longer feel welcome as democrats, is that the coalition took over the local dem party and purged it. There is no longer any diversity in that party or tolerance of people who do not swear fealty to them.
Depends on how you define diversity. Diversity in our chat here is diversity of ideas. No single ideaology. Open to all ideas.
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« Reply #25 on: September 24, 2009, 04:42:49 PM » |
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My understanding, based purely on conversations with people who no longer feel welcome as democrats, is that the coalition took over the local dem party and purged it. There is no longer any diversity in that party or tolerance of people who do not swear fealty to them.
The Coalition ran two candidates against incumbents. One won, and one lost. That speaks for itself. You genuine, local political junkies of various persuasions all know each other and assume the rest of us know all of you. Generally--we don't. Most local voters are issue-oriented and aren't into local politics as a vocation or even an avocation.
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« Reply #26 on: September 24, 2009, 05:05:02 PM » |
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My understanding, based purely on conversations with people who no longer feel welcome as democrats, is that the coalition took over the local dem party and purged it. There is no longer any diversity in that party or tolerance of people who do not swear fealty to them.
The Coalition ran two candidates against incumbents. One won, and one lost. That speaks for itself. You genuine, local political junkies of various persuasions all know each other and assume the rest of us know all of you. Generally--we don't. Most local voters are issue-oriented and aren't into local politics as a vocation or even an avocation.
[/b] Could not have said it better Bobs...you hit the mark...issues are the point here...I find it disturbing that folks want to lump everyone in one catergory or another too much pigeon holing for my taste.
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« Reply #27 on: September 24, 2009, 06:55:43 PM » |
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My understanding, based purely on conversations with people who no longer feel welcome as democrats, is that the coalition took over the local dem party and purged it. There is no longer any diversity in that party or tolerance of people who do not swear fealty to them.
The Coalition ran two candidates against incumbents. One won, and one lost. That speaks for itself. You genuine, local political junkies of various persuasions all know each other and assume the rest of us know all of you. Generally--we don't. Most local voters are issue-oriented and aren't into local politics as a vocation or even an avocation. this shows that the connection between the Indy and the Coalition is not ironclad. good for the Indy. the hissy fit shows up the connection. the result, in the election, shows that local voters are woefully uninformed. they come into the polls with the Indy poll as a guide. come on, people. go door to door, in your neighborhoods.
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« Reply #28 on: September 24, 2009, 08:17:50 PM » |
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So are you saying you don't know who the Liberal Out-of-Town Independent Weekly will be endorsing for Pittsboro Mayor?
Starkweather was such a stinker even the Indy wouldn't go near him.
As the primary force behind the Chatham Coalition, Starkweather has become a lightning rod for divisiveness, engendering a political backlash to the coalition's agenda. Additionally, his tendency to embrace complex processes over efficient outcomes and to browbeat those who don't share his views detract from his potential to govern.
Of course that didn't stop our buddy Randolph or the Pittsboro Together team (which Randolph started) from endorsing Starkweather.
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« Reply #29 on: September 24, 2009, 08:50:28 PM » |
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My understanding, based purely on conversations with people who no longer feel welcome as democrats, is that the coalition took over the local dem party and purged it. There is no longer any diversity in that party or tolerance of people who do not swear fealty to them.
As usual, your "understanding" is totally without merit. The Chatham County Democratic Party has in no way, shape or form been taken over by the Coalition. I have never seen you at one of our meetings and had you attended, you would have found it is the local political party that is truly diverse unlike the CCV or CCGOP.
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