Chatham Coalition wants Chatham County to be a "Cool County"

[integrityticket]

Didn't realize Hurricanes Katrina & Hugo were caused by so-called Global Warning.

Scientific proof?

[peacefulcapitalist]

Didn't realize Hurricanes Katrina & Hugo were caused by so-called Global Warning.

Scientific proof?

Who cares if it was?  The point is that massive numbers of refugees coming inland from coastal inundation is not only a possibility in this country, but has happened in recent times.   Whether the people who discuss preparation for it think it's caused by global warming or parties in Atlantis doesn't really matter when the preparations are suddenly needed.

[WolfpackFan]

Didn't realize Hurricanes Katrina & Hugo were caused by so-called Global Warning.

Scientific proof?

Who cares if it was?  The point is that massive numbers of refugees coming inland from coastal inundation is not only a possibility in this country, but has happened in recent times.   Whether the people who discuss preparation for it think it's caused by global warming or parties in Atlantis doesn't really matter when the preparations are suddenly needed.

PFC, do you really believe they are coming here, or do you think they might go to the bigger cities like Raleigh, Greensboro, Charlotte...?

[Elvis]

Didn't realize Hurricanes Katrina & Hugo were caused by so-called Global Warning.

Scientific proof?

Who cares if it was?  The point is that massive numbers of refugees coming inland from coastal inundation is not only a possibility in this country, but has happened in recent times.   Whether the people who discuss preparation for it think it's caused by global warming or parties in Atlantis doesn't really matter when the preparations are suddenly needed.

I wasn't here then. Did Chatham really get alot of refugees?  If so how did we handle it?

[truedemocrat]

Don't we have a county Emergency Management function?  Wouldn't it make sense to have them planning for receiving possible refugees from a coastal hurricane?  Why would we need an Environmental Review Board handling something related to Emergency Management?  Maybe I'm just way off base.

[RandysRight]

We have a headstart on this with the ERB subcommittee looking into ways we can prepare for the mass of refugees we'll get when the coastal regions of the state are flooded.  Unfortunately impact fees have to be used within 10 years of being collected so they might not be an option for this.

Did you really say that Chatham County is looking into ways "we can prepare for the mass of refugees we'll get when the coastal regions of the state are flooded"?

This isn't serious, is it?

Chatham County
Environmental Review Board (ERB) Meeting
Minutes, January 15, 2009 6:30 pm
Present: Elaine Chiosso (Chair), Catherine Bollinger (Vice Chair), Sonny Keisler,
Tara Allden, Raj Butalia, Martha Girolami, Fred Royal, Keith Megginson

6. Discussion of local impact of Global Warming, and role for ERB.
Elaine: Loyse Hurley (President of CCEC) in support of this dialog. Unable to
Attend

Other towns have passed resolutions about carbon reduction goals and have
public education/awareness campaigns. What information should we be
collecting?
Raj: Worked with William Schlesinger at Duke School of the Env. Good
source; also Amory Lovins. Impact of drought will require good stream flow
and L. Jordan data. Possible impact of refugees as coastline is
inundated. Carbon credit training. What are our goals as a board?

These moonbats are dead serious, yall must start paying attention to whats going on around here locally, statewide and nationally. 

Yeah right, it's a good thing Houston didn't have moonbats giving them crazy ideas about preparing for refugees from coastal inundation.  Then Katrina hit.  I think at that point they were wishing they had been better prepared and wouldn't have minded having some moonbats around to help them plan for it.

Either that or citizens should of just left when authorities told them too.  85% that stayed had no excuse for remaining in N.O. when given advanced notice to leave.  It's a no brainer.   

[peacefulcapitalist]

We have a headstart on this with the ERB subcommittee looking into ways we can prepare for the mass of refugees we'll get when the coastal regions of the state are flooded.  Unfortunately impact fees have to be used within 10 years of being collected so they might not be an option for this.

Did you really say that Chatham County is looking into ways "we can prepare for the mass of refugees we'll get when the coastal regions of the state are flooded"?

This isn't serious, is it?

Chatham County
Environmental Review Board (ERB) Meeting
Minutes, January 15, 2009 6:30 pm
Present: Elaine Chiosso (Chair), Catherine Bollinger (Vice Chair), Sonny Keisler,
Tara Allden, Raj Butalia, Martha Girolami, Fred Royal, Keith Megginson

6. Discussion of local impact of Global Warming, and role for ERB.
Elaine: Loyse Hurley (President of CCEC) in support of this dialog. Unable to
Attend

Other towns have passed resolutions about carbon reduction goals and have
public education/awareness campaigns. What information should we be
collecting?
Raj: Worked with William Schlesinger at Duke School of the Env. Good
source; also Amory Lovins. Impact of drought will require good stream flow
and L. Jordan data. Possible impact of refugees as coastline is
inundated. Carbon credit training. What are our goals as a board?

These moonbats are dead serious, yall must start paying attention to whats going on around here locally, statewide and nationally. 

Yeah right, it's a good thing Houston didn't have moonbats giving them crazy ideas about preparing for refugees from coastal inundation.  Then Katrina hit.  I think at that point they were wishing they had been better prepared and wouldn't have minded having some moonbats around to help them plan for it.

Either that or citizens should of just left when authorities told them too.  85% that stayed had no excuse for remaining in N.O. when given advanced notice to leave.  It's a no brainer.   

And when they leave when told to, where do they go.... YOu can get the refugees before or after the hurricane, but they are still coming.

[djkelly]

There's a difference between temporary refugees from a storm and permanent refugees from rising sea levels flooding the coastline.

[Concern]

When are the people of this County going to wake up?
The Coalition, and the Commissioners are praticing the old "If you can't Dazzle them with footwork, Baffle them with BS" If  your running around in circles chasing half baked ideas they dream up with all these hand picked boards, your mind is missing what is really the goal of the Coalition.

0% Growth, no more people, we have it the way we want it ,almost! Let's stick it to those who don't agree with us.
 
Pass a higher Impact Fee, Why? They already have their homes and do not want anymore people! Increase the cost of building and price homes out of reach for families. Slows or retards growth.

Change the Zoning so business cannot have access to roadways. What a great way to reduce sales taxes, and real estate taxes, and retard economic growth.

Build schools to to Leeds standards without a ROI analysis. Schools will be obsolete before energy payback.

How many New homes are for sale now in the County? How many building permits have been issued  to date this year? What is the projected build out date of the 20K lot approvals we keep hearing about?

Do not pay a living wage to counties employee's. Sheriff, Fire etc..  When was the last raises for those who protect your homes and lives?

Hire highly paid experts to find selected businesses to grace our land.

Build a building on CCCC campus with an $800,000. roof and a water recycle system, and cut school bus routes.

Recognize the agenda! Odds are most of those gracing the boards are folks who moved here.

Just a few of my small frustrations with the current state of affairs.  

[mary51802]

Concern.....

I could not agree more!!!!!!! Time for a refreshing change, job growth, economic growth, and reduced taxes.

[bluetick67]

Don't we have a county Emergency Management function?  Wouldn't it make sense to have them planning for receiving possible refugees from a coastal hurricane?  Why would we need an Environmental Review Board handling something related to Emergency Management?  Maybe I'm just way off base.

Ah, same question here.

[natvrabit]

http://www.reuters.com/article/lifestyleMolt/idUSN2541559320080813

Population according to U.S. Census Bureau in "05 in New Orleans was 453,726. In July '07 the population was 239,124.
Wonder where they all WENT and STAYED? It certainly does show that such disasters can create population shifts. As to how many would, could choose Chatham...? Since not much in way of employment opportunities, I doubt many, unless buy into the bedroom community concept....that is if the car didn't float away
Houston had plenty of disaster OJT due to tropical storm Allison in '01 when they received almost 40 inches of rain and large parts of the city were under feet of water.  I am familiar with that, as I know of an entire medical research group that relocated to this area to attempt to recover and continue their mission.

[snowcamper]

Quit asking questions that make sense!

Eventually you get around all of the liberal dishonesty and half-truths and you get to a question they don't want to answer.  I can't wait for the straw man on this thread.

To me...the local government should handle local problems.  By definition, GLOBAL Climate Change is not a local problem.  It is not a state problem, and calling it a national issue doesn't even work... vis-a-vis China and India negate anything we do as a nation.

And that all assumes that we have a problem in the first place.  I know that I didn't get a call to consult with the CC's re: this issue.  Makes you wonder who they talked to in the first place?  Oh wait, Randy posted a video.

They'll probably argue that the "debate" is settled...but I missed the date for such debate.  Anyone know when it happened?

[Beel]

No one disputes that climate cycles and that there have been mini and otherwise ice ages.  However, your own example would raise sea levels significantly I would imagine--if much now frozen fresh water is melted and dumped into the ocean, that's what happens.  Then there's a further sequence of things that will happen due to the physics of climate, which could in a goodly number of years lead to the seas retreating--it amounts to the paradox that "global warming" could lead to first a rise in sea level, then more glaciation. 

The idea that because there are big climate cycles, than it can't be that humans can have an impact on climate, is not true.  It is proven that even in historical times, with far less humans on the planet, that there were significant localized climate changes that were due to human activity.  You can read about these sorts of climate changes by googling.  The New Yorker had a good article on one such event, which happened in what it now Iraq.  Others have happened around the Mediterranian basin.  Humans can also effect remarkable and unexpected changes in other areas of our environment.  For example, no one had any idea that it was possible to cause the passenger pigeon to become extinct. 

Whether it's of sufficient importance to devote county money to this particular project is certainly a different question, particularly in the difficult economic circumstances Republican incompetence has left us.  But the effects of climate change, if it occurs, will be significant, and it's not at all proven that the idea that humans are affecting climate is false.  There's far more evidence the other way at this point. Having a handful of "deniers" is not reason to spend money to spread their point of view either. 

[mary51802]

No one disputes that climate cycles and that there have been mini and otherwise ice ages.  However, your own example would raise sea levels significantly I would imagine--if much now frozen fresh water is melted and dumped into the ocean, that's what happens.  Then there's a further sequence of things that will happen due to the physics of climate, which could in a goodly number of years lead to the seas retreating--it amounts to the paradox that "global warming" could lead to first a rise in sea level, then more glaciation. 

The idea that because there are big climate cycles, than it can't be that humans can have an impact on climate, is not true.  It is proven that even in historical times, with far less humans on the planet, that there were significant localized climate changes that were due to human activity.  You can read about these sorts of climate changes by googling.  The New Yorker had a good article on one such event, which happened in what it now Iraq.  Others have happened around the Mediterranian basin.  Humans can also effect remarkable and unexpected changes in other areas of our environment.  For example, no one had any idea that it was possible to cause the passenger pigeon to become extinct. 

Whether it's of sufficient importance to devote county money to this particular project is certainly a different question, particularly in the difficult economic circumstances Republican incompetence has left us.  But the effects of climate change, if it occurs, will be significant, and it's not at all proven that the idea that humans are affecting climate is false.  There's far more evidence the other way at this point. Having a handful of "deniers" is not reason to spend money to spread their point of view either. 

I understand but prefer to believe scientists. The New Yorker is very left wing and that is known and I do not think people should just believe a mass crowd who have to gain financially from a global warming scare. Nature is stronger than man and that has been proven. Even the mini ice age will bring higher waters, yes.

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