What Did I see

[The Oncoming Storm]

oh great Im soooooo excited that my city tax dollars will go to enforcing crime 3 miles outside the city limits!!!! thats great!

He won't be enforcing "crime" three miles outside the city limits, he'll be enforcing laws against traffic infractions. 

3 miles outside the city limits is the responsibility of the county and the state, NOT the Pittsboro Police Department!!

Three miles outside the town limits is the Sheriff's Office's jurisdiction, yes, but Pittsboro PD has jurisdiction there as well.  The difference between the Sergeant working the three mile area and letting the Sheriff's Office take care of it is that Pittsboro now has an officer dedicated to traffic enforcement, not answering calls, where the Sheriff's Office does not have traffic enforcement only deputies.  You see, all of the deputies out on patrol, like Pittsboro's police officers, have to respond to calls in addition to working traffic enforcement.  But like I said, the Sheriff's Office (as far as I know) doesn't have deputies that are assigned to work traffic enforcement only.  That's why it's beneficial for everybody to have the Sergeant working the main highways in the three mile area outside of town, because Pittsboro is the only local agency that has a traffic only officer.  Again, his job is to catch speeders, aggressive drivers, and drunk drivers.  That is also the State Highway Patrol's job, but troopers just drive all over their three-county assignment area and don't stay put around one town to catch speeders and drunks.  They just drive through and pull people over if they happen to come across such activity in their presence.

And for you NOT being the spokesman for the police department, you sure seem to be right up in the butt of whats going on!!!

I am not a spokesperson for any agency and I am not "right up in the butt of what's going on," I just happen to have gotten all my information from the Sergeant himself.

I have lived in Chatham for 25 years, and this is getting ridiculous.

I have lived in Chatham for 22 years but I don't see anything ridiculous except the way you're getting bent out of shape.

And for me beating a dead horse.............you obviously don't live in Pittsboro so what do you care how our tax dollars are spent!!!!!!!!!!!

You're still beating the aforementioned dead horse, yes.  Whether or not I live in Pittsboro is irrelevant.  As I've recited countless times, the car and officer's salary are not paid for by Pittsboro town taxes, they've been paid for with state taxes.  So Pittsboro town taxes have nothing to do with it.  Plus, even if the car and officer's salary were paid for with Pittsboro town taxes, I would be fine with it, the same way I'd be fine if I found out that the Sheriff's Office have one or more new cars/officers to work traffic enforcement only.  That's a good thing.  It's sad that you don't see that.

[artymarty]

I mean tailgating downtown is annoying and I can see how someone might get a little bump in the back but it's not really very dangerous compared to the stuff that can happen with drivers speeding excessively on the highways or driving drunk.

It's also pretty clear how aggressive/dangerous drivers or drunk drivers in the three mile area around town affect the town, so the argument that town cops shouldn't be worrying about that is pretty weak.

[srvfan]

has there been a problem with speeders & "aggressive" drivers causing wrecks on the 64 bypass or 15/501 around Pittsboro?

[Spyder]

I want to see the police department focus on the speeders downtown on main street where it is supposed to be 20 miles an hour and no left turn on mainstreet...the traffic flow would be much better if these folks would adhere to traffic laws...maybe the cops will stop some of this.

If the Sgt. sees traffic infractions in town he'll do something about it but his job is to focus on catching actual speeders (excessive speeds like 65+ MPH) and drunk drivers.  However, the rest of the patrol officers with Pittsboro Police Department are still patrolling everywhere like they always have, so if they see something, they'll take action.

Well Gollee,
You mean one of them thar Rustangs will actually hit 65+ MPH? Is that with a Pinto pulling it? Seriously I'm all for police departments using something quicker/better looking than those crappy Crown Vics and their Chevrolet counterparts, but it does seem that they want to make a statement more than anything. With street racing what it is I think departments going with racier cars sends out more of a message to those that like to hammer the throttle a bit more. BUT I highly doubt any Rustang or American made "Police Interceptor" will touch the better tuned imports in a straight line or especially in the curves. Good luck with that.

[Silk_Hope]

So would you be happy if the pd was driving some crappy piece of jap junk? A Honda would croak under police use.

You miss the point, a Mustang is a car that blend in and does not look like a cop car.

[Spyder]

At least they'd be saving fuel wouldn't they? AND who said anything about Japanese imports? Or Honda? A Porsche is an import. A Ferrari is an import.

I guess it blends in as well as the "undercover" Crown Vics out on the highways with the plain black paint job, cheap hubcaps, tinted windows, etc. that we all "fear." I just outrun them! 

[The Oncoming Storm]

I mean tailgating downtown is annoying and I can see how someone might get a little bump in the back but it's not really very dangerous compared to the stuff that can happen with drivers speeding excessively on the highways or driving drunk.

It's also pretty clear how aggressive/dangerous drivers or drunk drivers in the three mile area around town affect the town, so the argument that town cops shouldn't be worrying about that is pretty weak.

You're not addressing me, are you?  I never "argued that town cops shouldn't be worrying about downtown."  You seem to be missing the point.  The ENTIRE Police Department patrols the entire town, but now there's ONE officer assigned to the major highways, including, but not limited to, the three mile radius around town.

has there been a problem with speeders & "aggressive" drivers causing wrecks on the 64 bypass or 15/501 around Pittsboro?

A problem with speeders?  Of course....  Aggressive drivers?  More and more every day.  There's also always been a problem with drunk driving; it's everywhere.

Well Gollee,
You mean one of them thar Rustangs will actually hit 65+ MPH? Is that with a Pinto pulling it? Seriously I'm all for police departments using something quicker/better looking than those crappy Crown Vics and their Chevrolet counterparts, but it does seem that they want to make a statement more than anything. With street racing what it is I think departments going with racier cars sends out more of a message to those that like to hammer the throttle a bit more. BUT I highly doubt any Rustang or American made "Police Interceptor" will touch the better tuned imports in a straight line or especially in the curves. Good luck with that.

I don't know what you have against Ford vehicles but I assure you that Mustang GTs will be quite effective for traffic enforcement.  Also, you obviously have no earthly idea what you're talking about when you say "crappy Crown Vics."  The Ford Crown Victoria Police Interceptor is overall the best police grade vehicle there is right now, with the Dodge Charger at a very close second.  I have a Crown Victoria Police Interceptor and it's an amazing piece of American (although assembled in Canada) manufacturing.

Yes, I can see the Chief wanting to make a point: This isn't Mayberry, we will enforce our traffic laws.

The Mustang, especially, will not have trouble chasing after almost anything on the highways.  The Crown Victoria isn't designed just for speed, but they are good handling cars that are built to withstand the rigors of heavy duty police work.  If the Crown Victoria wasn't a great police vehicle, do you really think the majority of law enforcement agencies in North America would employ it as their primary vehicle?  No.  Also, how often are we going to see "high performance imports" in Chatham, racing around?  Not often.  And I hope you're not worried about the Mustang having trouble catching up with imports like Hondas, Acuras, Toyotas, etcetera....  That's not what you meant by "better tuned imports," is it?

So would you be happy if the pd was driving some crappy piece of jap junk? A Honda would croak under police use.

You miss the point, a Mustang is a car that blend in and does not look like a cop car.

Yes, they'd love it if Chatham's law enforcement officers were confined to crappy Japanese cars.  Again, these people always have to have something to cry about.  This time it's Pittsboro stepping up their technology, even though it's for their obvious benefit, and even thought their town taxes didn't pay for it.  They're just pissed they're not driving a Mustang GT. 

[Spyder]

To be honest here, there are only 2 American made "muscle cars" that actually have real/proper performance. One is the Dodge Viper and the other is the Corvette ZR1. Other than that everything else American made is pretty much JUNK. 

No I'm not talking about the average mom-n-pops Honda or Toyota. I'm talking about the 400-600HP Civics, Supras, Eclipses, S2000s, RX-7s and 8s, etc. that weigh 1/3 less than the "muscle cars" and just flat out kill them in any situation.

I don't care what some think the ultimate police car is. Bringing a Rustang GT onto the streets for "traffic control" is like bringing a knife to a gunfight. Just don't fit.

[WolfpackFan]

Do we have a lot 600 hp civics in PBO?

[The Oncoming Storm]

To be honest here, there are only 2 American made "muscle cars" that actually have real/proper performance. One is the Dodge Viper and the other is the Corvette ZR1. Other than that everything else American made is pretty much JUNK. 

No I'm not talking about the average mom-n-pops Honda or Toyota. I'm talking about the 400-600HP Civics, Supras, Eclipses, S2000s, RX-7s and 8s, etc. that weigh 1/3 less than the "muscle cars" and just flat out kill them in any situation.

I don't care what some think the ultimate police car is. Bringing a Rustang GT onto the streets for "traffic control" is like bringing a knife to a gunfight. Just don't fit.

The Dodge Viper and the Chevrolet Corvette are not "muscle cars," they're more like super cars.  It's sad that you feel that way about American cars but you're wrong. 

I don't know about you but I've never seen a 400-600 HP Civic around Pittsboro.  I know I've never seen a Supra in Pittsboro.  I've never seen a high performance Eclipse in Pittsboro.  I've seen very few S2000s in Pittsboro.  But it's pointless to bring up S2000s.  They have approximately 205 HP to the wheels.  The Crown Victoria has 250+ HP, even thought they're heavier.  RX-7?  Never seen one in Pittsboro.  RX-8?  Never seen those either.  But regardless, you've surely heard the old phrase, "You can't outrun a Motorola."

I've never seen a modern Mustang rust, so there's no reason to call it a "Rustang."  Oh, did I mention the Mustang GT's factory horsepower is 300? 

Do we have a lot 600 hp civics in PBO?

No, sir, we don't. 

[Spyder]

You must not be looking very hard and probably wouldn't know a Supra if it ran over you.

300HP? I hope that rating is for the stock V6, because if it's for their 4.6 SOHC V8 then it is very sad.

[belle]

You must not be looking very hard and probably wouldn't know a Supra if it ran over you.

300HP? I hope that rating is for the stock V6, because if it's for their 4.6 SOHC V8 then it is very sad.

wow, spyder, welcome to the BBS. you know, lots of people throw the words "rude" and "intolerant" around without a lot of thought. but you give them a whole new meaning.

thanks.

[Boatdreamin]

I wasn't going to join in this thread, but I think there are a couple of things that aren't being considered.  Yes, you can get 600hp out of a civic or other import, but when you build a motor to those tolerances they do not last long.  When you push that much horsepower out of a four cylinder you'll be lucky to make it a few passes down the quarter mile.  For the money/performance/durability you just can't beat the Crown Victoria's and Chargers.  I like seeing the pony cars like the Mustangs used as police vehicles, they look pretty cool, and are functional for whatever situation that might arise.  Seriously, it really doesn't matter what vehicles the police officers use, you are never ever going to outrun that radio!  Besides, in small towns like these everybody knows who drives the hot cars.  You run from the police and they'll just wait for you at your house!  I have very little tolerance for people that try to outrun the police anyway, they are not only endangering themselves, but everyone else that shares the road. 

[chrstnhsbndfthr]

I wasn't going to join in this thread, but I think there are a couple of things that aren't being considered.  Yes, you can get 600hp out of a civic or other import, but when you build a motor to those tolerances they do not last long.  When you push that much horsepower out of a four cylinder you'll be lucky to make it a few passes down the quarter mile.  For the money/performance/durability you just can't beat the Crown Victoria's and Chargers.  I like seeing the pony cars like the Mustangs used as police vehicles, they look pretty cool, and are functional for whatever situation that might arise.  Seriously, it really doesn't matter what vehicles the police officers use, you are never ever going to outrun that radio!  Besides, in small towns like these everybody knows who drives the hot cars.  You run from the police and they'll just wait for you at your house!  I have very little tolerance for people that try to outrun the police anyway, they are not only endangering themselves, but everyone else that shares the road. 

That is the truth. They do not make a car that can outrun the radio.  I met a fellow a while back who was astounded that he got chased through three counties.  They didn't even have to try hard, they just call ahead and hold back, letting him run to the next officer up the line.  They could have caught him with a fleet of yugos, with those radios.

[belle]

an old man, dead now, told me about the old bootlegging days. he had pictures and old news clippings to back him up, too. later, he was in early stock car racing.

they'd buy a Ford, and pull the engine and throw it away. then they put in an Openhauser engine. they put air shocks in the rear end with a helper spring for the shocks.

of course, he was talking about the days when police radio didn't go town to town.

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