How's that Growth Going?

[truth]

Chr...
Perhaps you should use the generic version of Flonase as a steroid nasal spray that improves your ability to breath and in this case perhaps you can breath in the truth of the history of the past eight years.
T

[chrstnhsbndfthr]

Been using flonase or its generic equivalent for years. Before that, I would not have been able to smell what it is you are shoveling.

[chathambooks]

Dear truth - your lengthy posts are so familiar to lengthy emails I receive from time to time. Don't get me wrong - they are valuable - just really LONG...

[truth]

You have good primary care doc to advise you on nasal spays but your memory of recent history of Chatham county elections is very defective.  Good luck in your attempt to understand the recent political history of Chatham County. As I remember it most of Bunkey's crew lost by 62% to 38% in the primary vote with the closest 55 to 45. Those elected have delivered on issues on which the majority of the county voted them into office to do. That may be a problem for you to understand.

It is interesting that the Board of Elections has destroyed the records of the donors to Bunkey's campaign. More will come in Wednesday's edition of the Independent. Some things in Chatham never change.
T

[chrstnhsbndfthr]

Dear truth - your lengthy posts are so familiar to lengthy emails I receive from time to time. Don't get me wrong - they are valuable - just really LONG...

Spread them on your garden. That would have at least some value. 

The insanity of some of the claims, such as the theft of private property saving the owners money is astounding in its audacity.

[GOP Chair]

Again the development community should thank the commissioners for protecting them from themselves

This, better than most other comments I've read, pinpoints the philosophy of our current leaders. This philosophy permeates their thoughts in everything they are doing. Even if they are well intentioned, they fail to realize that we don't need government to protect us from ourselves. We need to be protected from them. We can figure out the best use of our money, land, and labor without the aide of an elected official (or worse, an unelected official).  As pointed out by one citizen in a recent BOC meeting. The BOC needs more diversity. Not just in race and gender but in thought.

I suspect you would be hard pressed to find a developer who would agree that they need to be protected from themselves or a parent who would thank government for taking away choice in education, or a landowner/farmer who is thankful that government restrictions have made their land unmarketable.

[NC YIPPIE]

Actually, I'm sure many people are happy that zoning exists and that there is a process in place to consider the impact on a community of any given development. Your analysis of growth leaves out the very real possibility that landowners and developers often act solely in their own interest, despite the various risks involved to their neighbors and the impact on their lives.

[truth]

Last week I had an opportunity to hear Mr. Brian Bock, Chair of the Chatham County Republican Party express his concerns about a possible local bill that would give the county the ability to protect the rights of its residents by asking the Legislature to give the county the ability to pass local civil rights ordinance if needed.  Mr. Bock appears to be a nice young man who first registered in Chatham County on 9/26/05.  He appears to be far more competent than previous chairs of the Chatham County Republican Party. 

I wonder if he is from North Carolina or has lived in the south for many years.  Further at the age of 44 years he was born about the time Lyndon Johnson signed most of the major civil rights legislation that finally gave African Americans full legal rights under the Constitution to vote and live where they want and use fully public accommodations.  All of this legislation was passed by the combined efforts of non-southern Democrats and moderate Republicans (who no longer exist) who where still part of the party of Lincoln and did not represent states in the south. 

I am 65 years old and spent my high school years in west Florida that for all practical purposes was south Alabama.  I graduated from a totally segregated high school ten years after Brown vs. board of education lawsuit in 1954.  In the post civil rights era we saw the rise of private segregation academies in the south with the white majorities in control of these counties underfunding the integrated public schools as white students moved to the segregation academies.  Fortunately these relatively poor counties could not afford the costs of these private segregation academies and over the years they closed.

Brian may not even know the history of the Republican Party in the south and the importance of President Nixon’s southern strategy that was designed to recruit white Jim Crow democrats into the Republican Party in the south after the civil rights legislation passed.  It was extremely effective in moving the likes of the Dixiecrat Strom Thurmond and South Carolina into the Republican Party as well as other like minded people in the rest of the Deep South.  Lyndon Johnson is quoted as saying as he signed the civil rights legislation that he “had lost the south for a generation”.  He was right and the Jim Crow types became the republican majority in the most of the south and the Democratic Party was far better off without them. 

Nixon’s strategy was so successful that now the Republican Party has become a regional party of the Deep South and the under populated western states.  The Republican Party has long since ceased being the party of Lincoln that freed the slaves and now is the party of those who are the descendents of the Jim Crow faction that Nixon recruited into the Republican Party and if they could, would undo the civil rights legislation. 

To see the confirmation all one has to do is look at video clips from the 2008 Republican Convention. It truly is the party of old white guys and girls. It is a sad day for the Party of Lincoln. If Lincoln returned to life he would not recognize his regional southern republican party.

In North Carolina Jessie Helms was the arch typical Nixon Strategy Republican who won all his elections by very narrow margins exploiting the race card.   His role in the Willis Smith – Frank Porter Graham election of 1950 where he learned race baiting is reprehensible.  The racial slurs of that campaign are disgusting. The classic Helms “white hands” ad later is only a recent example of a milder version of the ads Helms leaned in the Smith-Graham race political ads of 1950.  I would give Brian the benefit of the doubt because of his age that he may be completely unaware of this dismal history in the recent political history of his party in the south.    Sadly the people of North Carolina repeatedly fell for the Helms race baiting and re-elected him to the Senate until he retired with what became significant dementia and he ended his days wondering the corridors of the Mayview Nursing home in Raleigh until he died. Just a note Mayview is a very good family run nursing home that served the elite in Raleigh.  Sadly it is on the block to be sold to a commercial nursing home chain.

After the 2008 election I like to think that with the in-migration to North Carolina from the rest of the country that Jessie would no longer win elective office today by playing the race card. 

Brian should know that as long as he is chair of Republican Party in Chatham County he never can speak for himself and he has the racial legacy of the Nixon Strategy around his neck.  He needs to speak softly against possible local civil rights ordinances given the history of his party in North Carolina and the South in the last fifty years.

[integrityticket]

Last week I had an opportunity to hear Mr. Brian Bock, Chair of the Chatham County Republican Party express his concerns about a possible local bill that would give the county the ability to protect the rights of its residents by asking the Legislature to give the county the ability to pass local civil rights ordinance if needed.  Mr. Bock appears to be a nice young man who first registered in Chatham County on 9/26/05.  He appears to be far more competent than previous chairs of the Chatham County Republican Party. 

I wonder if he is from North Carolina or has lived in the south for many years.  Further at the age of 44 years he was born about the time Lyndon Johnson signed most of the major civil rights legislation that finally gave African Americans full legal rights under the Constitution to vote and live where they want and use fully public accommodations.  All of this legislation was passed by the combined efforts of non-southern Democrats and moderate Republicans (who no longer exist) who where still part of the party of Lincoln and did not represent states in the south. 

I am 65 years old and spent my high school years in west Florida that for all practical purposes was south Alabama.  I graduated from a totally segregated high school ten years after Brown vs. board of education lawsuit in 1954.  In the post civil rights era we saw the rise of private segregation academies in the south with the white majorities in control of these counties underfunding the integrated public schools as white students moved to the segregation academies.  Fortunately these relatively poor counties could not afford the costs of these private segregation academies and over the years they closed.

Brian may not even know the history of the Republican Party in the south and the importance of President Nixon’s southern strategy that was designed to recruit white Jim Crow democrats into the Republican Party in the south after the civil rights legislation passed.  It was extremely effective in moving the likes of the Dixiecrat Strom Thurmond and South Carolina into the Republican Party as well as other like minded people in the rest of the Deep South.  Lyndon Johnson is quoted as saying as he signed the civil rights legislation that he “had lost the south for a generation”.  He was right and the Jim Crow types became the republican majority in the most of the south and the Democratic Party was far better off without them. 

Nixon’s strategy was so successful that now the Republican Party has become a regional party of the Deep South and the under populated western states.  The Republican Party has long since ceased being the party of Lincoln that freed the slaves and now is the party of those who are the descendents of the Jim Crow faction that Nixon recruited into the Republican Party and if they could, would undo the civil rights legislation. 

To see the confirmation all one has to do is look at video clips from the 2008 Republican Convention. It truly is the party of old white guys and girls. It is a sad day for the Party of Lincoln. If Lincoln returned to life he would not recognize his regional southern republican party.

In North Carolina Jessie Helms was the arch typical Nixon Strategy Republican who won all his elections by very narrow margins exploiting the race card.   His role in the Willis Smith – Frank Porter Graham election of 1950 where he learned race baiting is reprehensible.  The racial slurs of that campaign are disgusting. The classic Helms “white hands” ad later is only a recent example of a milder version of the ads Helms leaned in the Smith-Graham race political ads of 1950.  I would give Brian the benefit of the doubt because of his age that he may be completely unaware of this dismal history in the recent political history of his party in the south.    Sadly the people of North Carolina repeatedly fell for the Helms race baiting and re-elected him to the Senate until he retired with what became significant dementia and he ended his days wondering the corridors of the Mayview Nursing home in Raleigh until he died. Just a note Mayview is a very good family run nursing home that served the elite in Raleigh.  Sadly it is on the block to be sold to a commercial nursing home chain.

After the 2008 election I like to think that with the in-migration to North Carolina from the rest of the country that Jessie would no longer win elective office today by playing the race card. 

Brian should know that as long as he is chair of Republican Party in Chatham County he never can speak for himself and he has the racial legacy of the Nixon Strategy around his neck.  He needs to speak softly against possible local civil rights ordinances given the history of his party in North Carolina and the South in the last fifty years.

 

Rather than address the issues Mr. Brock brought up about with CHATHAM COUNTY's proposed legislation, you exhibit the same traits as your Coalition buddies - "let's take potshots at our opponent."

If the Coalition-backed Commission members were so sure about their legislation why did they choose to table it. Did they want to avoid another ICE Resolution debacle?

Why don't you tell us what is in that plan and why it would be good for CHATHAM County.

Maybe you need to update your liberal playbook?

What's your excuse for having the racist Harry Reid as a leader in your glorious party?

BTW, Nixon has been dead for years. Get over it.

[chrstnhsbndfthr]

If the Coalitionistas would actually like to protect the rights of Chatham County citizens, they could stop passing invasive laws that limit our freedoms right now. They do not need the permission of the legislature to stop attacking our rights!

[RandysRight]

It's a good thing when Brian starts being attacked.  Means your a real  possible threat.  I also seen someone take a snipe at Mrs Kelly in the paper few weeks back by that silly attorney.  
This is someone who does their home work, on the up and up, very honest and fair, that's a threat right their to any politcal opponent.

[truth]

IT,

You forget that the commissioners were elected by a 2:1 majority to implement the policies that they ran on.  They did and will continue to do the will of those who elected them to office.

I know it is hard for the chatham's old guard to understand that if you run on a platform then you deliver on the issues that you are likely to be re-elected. Further, if you go, gung ho, into development you get a lot of new folks who vote and don't share your views. It was those folks who took out Bunkey and crew out of office in 2006 and there are even more of them now than in 2006.  That's life in the real world.

Poor Brian does not understand the history of the south. Nixon's strategy and its legacy to the republican party. Nixon succeeded and the party is toast. Though Nixon is dead his legacy continues to give.

IT you need to deal with reality. You made your bed with developers and you sleep in it. It's really is a new day for Chatham and North Carolina. The census in 2010 will put the 34 counties that elected Obama in control of the NC legislature.

The republicans are on the wrong side of the browning demographic curve and the need desperately to embrace diversity but their past will not allow them to do so.  

Brain should be pushing for civil rights legislation in order to protect the future white minority as America browns by 2030. the old days of white supremacy are gone. It is time to treat all people with dignity and protect their constitutional rights.


T

[integrityticket]

All I hear from you is Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah.

Why don't you address the specifics of the Coalition's proposed legislation and explain to us in Chatham County the benefits of this legislation?

Instead we get more liberal drip about Nixon, etc.

I noticed you passed on making any follow up remark on the great Harry Reid. No surprise there. Typical.

[snowcamper]

Harry Reid, Joe Biden, Bill Clinton...  All Democrats.  All with recently quoted, black denigrating, comments. 

If you are so about the "truth", then please at least acknowledge those comments and expand upon what impact they have on your views of the "Democratic" party.

Or does your version of "truth" only extend so far?

[Brian Bock]

Last week I had an opportunity to hear Mr. Brian Bock, Chair of the Chatham County Republican Party express his concerns about a possible local bill that would give the county the ability to protect the rights of its residents by asking the Legislature to give the county the ability to pass local civil rights ordinance if needed.  Mr. Bock appears to be a nice young man who first registered in Chatham County on 9/26/05.  He appears to be far more competent than previous chairs of the Chatham County Republican Party. 

I wonder if he is from North Carolina or has lived in the south for many years.  Further at the age of 44 years he was born about the time Lyndon Johnson signed most of the major civil rights legislation that finally gave African Americans full legal rights under the Constitution to vote and live where they want and use fully public accommodations.  All of this legislation was passed by the combined efforts of non-southern Democrats and moderate Republicans (who no longer exist) who where still part of the party of Lincoln and did not represent states in the south. 

I am 65 years old and spent my high school years in west Florida that for all practical purposes was south Alabama.  I graduated from a totally segregated high school ten years after Brown vs. board of education lawsuit in 1954.  In the post civil rights era we saw the rise of private segregation academies in the south with the white majorities in control of these counties underfunding the integrated public schools as white students moved to the segregation academies.  Fortunately these relatively poor counties could not afford the costs of these private segregation academies and over the years they closed.

Brian may not even know the history of the Republican Party in the south and the importance of President Nixon’s southern strategy that was designed to recruit white Jim Crow democrats into the Republican Party in the south after the civil rights legislation passed.  It was extremely effective in moving the likes of the Dixiecrat Strom Thurmond and South Carolina into the Republican Party as well as other like minded people in the rest of the Deep South.  Lyndon Johnson is quoted as saying as he signed the civil rights legislation that he “had lost the south for a generation”.  He was right and the Jim Crow types became the republican majority in the most of the south and the Democratic Party was far better off without them. 

Nixon’s strategy was so successful that now the Republican Party has become a regional party of the Deep South and the under populated western states.  The Republican Party has long since ceased being the party of Lincoln that freed the slaves and now is the party of those who are the descendents of the Jim Crow faction that Nixon recruited into the Republican Party and if they could, would undo the civil rights legislation. 

To see the confirmation all one has to do is look at video clips from the 2008 Republican Convention. It truly is the party of old white guys and girls. It is a sad day for the Party of Lincoln. If Lincoln returned to life he would not recognize his regional southern republican party.

In North Carolina Jessie Helms was the arch typical Nixon Strategy Republican who won all his elections by very narrow margins exploiting the race card.   His role in the Willis Smith – Frank Porter Graham election of 1950 where he learned race baiting is reprehensible.  The racial slurs of that campaign are disgusting. The classic Helms “white hands” ad later is only a recent example of a milder version of the ads Helms leaned in the Smith-Graham race political ads of 1950.  I would give Brian the benefit of the doubt because of his age that he may be completely unaware of this dismal history in the recent political history of his party in the south.    Sadly the people of North Carolina repeatedly fell for the Helms race baiting and re-elected him to the Senate until he retired with what became significant dementia and he ended his days wondering the corridors of the Mayview Nursing home in Raleigh until he died. Just a note Mayview is a very good family run nursing home that served the elite in Raleigh.  Sadly it is on the block to be sold to a commercial nursing home chain.

After the 2008 election I like to think that with the in-migration to North Carolina from the rest of the country that Jessie would no longer win elective office today by playing the race card. 

Brian should know that as long as he is chair of Republican Party in Chatham County he never can speak for himself and he has the racial legacy of the Nixon Strategy around his neck.  He needs to speak softly against possible local civil rights ordinances given the history of his party in North Carolina and the South in the last fifty years.

I apologize ahead of time for the long post but feel it's necessary.



I can and do regularly speak for myself rather than the party. I appreciate being given the benefit of the doubt due to my tender years but don't think it's necessary. I'm not sure what the proper age is to be qualified to understand history or have an informed opinion on current affairs. I'm too young and John McCain was too old. It must be somewhere between 48 (the age of our president) and 65 (your age).  Thankfully, I had a good education through high school, college, and grad school. Additionally, my 20 years in the U.S. Navy, 10 years active duty as an enlisted man and 10 years in the reserves as an intelligence officer, afforded me the opportunity to move around this great county of ours and travel the world seeing first hand how different governments and political philosophies effect quality of life. I have a good understanding of both the long term and short term history of the republican party in the south.

I know that Hiram Revels, republican of Mississippi, was the first African American to serve in the U.S. Senate, I know that Joseph Rainey, republican of SC was the first African American in Congress. I know that members of the republican party have been instrumental in passing every piece of significant civil rights legislation. I also know that Senator Robert Byrd, democrat of WV, was a proud member of the KKK and was elected "exalted cyclops" (whatever that is) in the organization. The democrat party is the party that brought us the poll tax in an effort to stop minority voting. President Nixon enacted affirmative action and got the Equal Opportunities Act of 1972 passed. Under President Reagan Martin Luther King Day became a national holiday.  The NC republican party was formed in Raleigh by both white and black men seeking equal rights for everyone. I also know that neither party's platform condones, encourages or supports racial discrimination or unequal justice. There are INDIVIDUALS in both parties who don't support those platforms. I believe strongly that the republican platform is the best of the two platforms to ensure equal rights and equal justice for all races. We should be able to disagree on that without being accused of racism.

As to my comments at the BOC meeting on Jan. 4 concerning the enabling legislation on a possible local civil rights ordinance, the record will clearly show that I was not arguing for or against such legislation. I did have specific questions on the sample ordinance that was included. Specifically, the wording about a new commission made up of volunteers that may have subpoena power. Subpoena power is not something to be taken lightly and deserves some discussion. Esther Coleman of the HRC and the commissioners agreed that discussion was appropriate. Ms. Coleman and a gentleman whose name I don't remember took the time to address my questions. The BOC also had several questions and we had a good discussion. I don't agree with all of their points but am thankful for their time and explanations. Ms. Coleman thanked me afterwards.

Asking questions and seeking discussion on important issues is not racist. Fortunately the BOC and Ms. Coleman understand that.

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