How's that Growth Going?

[Silk_Hope]

By Truth's evaluation of Bock it can be assumed that Barack Obama is not qualified to discuss race relations either, after all he was raised in a white family and did not live through the age of segregation.

[snowcamper]

truth is Jeffrey S.?  No wonder his arguments are so duplicitous!

Only a fool would believe that "civil rights legislation", which penalizes people in the present to "make up for wrongs of the past" would be "fair" and an example of "justice".

Yes, there were wrongs perpetrated in the past against people of color, Native Americans, women, asians, Irish, Catholics, Polish, Italians...

but making the people of today, including members of all of the "discriminated" groups, pay for the sins of their fathers/grandfathers/etc. or even people completely unrelated to them (recent immigrants, being an example) is foolishness any way you look at it.

I don't beat my new dog because the old dog chewed my shoe.
I don't whup my grandkids for things their parents did when they were young.

I forgive and move on.  So do most sane people.

Chatham does not need a civil rights ordinance.  They simply need to treat everyone equally, regardless of ancestry.

[NC YIPPIE]

Your 'history' of the MLK holiday and republican support seems a bit misleading. Both NC republicans John P. East and Jesse Helms opposed the MLK holiday, with Helms going so far as to read a document on the Senate floor that attempted to connect MLK with communists, as well as staging a 16-day filibuster. It was also opposed by John McCain, the last GOP national presidential candidate. Also, during his campaign for President, Reagan opposed the holiday. The only reason he signed it was because it was so widely supported in was veto proof. So to say 'Under President Reagan Martin Luther King Day became a national holiday' sounds a bit like Reagan championed the cause, which he did not. Carry on..... 

[peacefulcapitalist]

Yippie,

While your history is correct and also Brian's history of GOP vs. Dems on issues of civil rights is correct only up until a point (that being the point when the racists mostly left the Democratic party and joined the GOP as backlash to the LBJ-lead Democratic embrace of civil rights and also encouraged by Nixon's southern strategy [and no, pointing out that fact of history is not claiming that Brian or other current Chatham GOPers are racists]) we should look on the bright side, which is:  The county GOP chair is implicitly endorsing, and jumping on the bandwagon of, affirmative action, the MLK holiday, and civil rights legislation.

We are closer to common ground than ever!

[Brian Bock]

I was just guessing when I addressed Truth as Jeffery. I'd be very surprised if Jeffrey is 65.  If they are not the same person my apologies to both.

[RandysRight]

chuckle

[Brian Bock]

I am now confident that my guess about Truth and Jeffrey S. being the same person was incorrect. Proves the old saying about assumptions. Truth's identity remains a secret.

[belle]

I am now confident that my guess about Truth and Jeffrey S. being the same person was incorrect. Proves the old saying about assumptions. Truth's identity remains a secret.

hey, that's an old favorite game here on the BBS. Truth as Jeffr'y S?

what fun for all of us. let's assume it is true, and see what comes of it.

[WolfpackFan]

I thought everyone was Randy Voller.

[belle]

I thought everyone was Randy Voller.

hey!

I thought YOU were...no, I didn't.

hehe.

[natvrabit]

 and the Lysta Road and Jack Bennett Rd development that eroded the hilly landscape and polluted local streams with silt from their sites. In invite readers to add to this list of bankrupt developers.

That is one UGLY BLIGHT on the landscape just saying. Chained up entries to street, curbs, utility ghost town

[truth]

I never thought Brian was a racist.  I just thought as a relatively young man he was just totally ignorant of all the details of what the former party of Lincoln did in the south in the period of time from 1964 to the present to gain political power.  I note from the posting that many others on this board are ignorant of the southern history of the republican party as well.  Brian missed the era of separate but very unequal schools, separate water fountains, separate waiting rooms and bath rooms, segregation academies, Duke's Public Clinic a resident staffed clinic only for the poor which were comprised of many of Durham's African Americans for residents in training to learn on and Duke's private diagnostic clinics (PDC) run by the faculty physicians for whites only.  Brian is also ignorant of the how Duke treated Dr. Dan Moore a skilled black OB-Gyn physician in the 1970's and later repented.  Brian was too young to see the worst parts of segregation.   Yippie did a good job explaining Reagan, McCain, Helms and East who reflected the era and sadly the culmination of the success of the Nixon Strategy.  I'm glad as PC pointed out Brian has reputed the recent sins of the post Nixon Strategy republican party with respect to the MLK Holiday which is next Saturday and will be celebrated at the the Holy Trinity Church, 309 Trinity Street, Siler City 27344. My fellow members of the Western Chapter of the NAACP would be happy to have Brian there as a guest and then we can all sing together "We Shall Overcome" together. I look forward to seeing Brian at Chatham's celebration of Martin Luther King's contribution to social justice and equality in the United States.

[RJLeeb]

None of "truth's" ramblings really seem to address the issue at hand.  Instead, it seems he's trying very hard to derail the conversation.

All this nonsense about "protecting the quality of like" is just that.  What constitutes quality of life is a rather subjective thing.  If I have to go to Apex to do some of my shopping, that commute takes more of my time, detracting from my "quality of life", so to speak.  So does the lack of nicer restaurants, etc.

A real truth is that no matter what happens nationally, businesses and individuals make strategic decisions when it comes to setting up shop, or a home.  Taxes, onerous rules and ordinances, as BarrettP pointed out, aren't the sort of things that attract businesses.  So what the BOC does really matters.  Perhaps the BOC thinks there is some magical formula that keeps residential development at a minimum but maintains that which attracts jobs.  The two aren't as mutually exclusive as they imagine.

What about those ordinances that Mr. Powell mentioned?  How was the "quality of life" assured for the old gentlemen that needed to repair his home?  Or sell his land?

Regulations don't just serve to keep people out.  Rules and regs that make it difficult for someone to sell or improve their own property also affect current residents.  I'd say that has an impact on "quality of life".

The really interesting thing to note is that the "evil unchecked growth" is the very reason people have jobs to commute to in the first place.  I mean that especially as it applies to people that travel to Cary, Apex, and even RTP.

There's a reason Cary and Apex have ranked in the top 10 by publications like Forbes and Money as the best places to live in the U.S.

[WolfpackFan]

I never thought Brian was a racist.  I just thought as a relatively young man he was just totally ignorant of all the details of what the former party of Lincoln did in the south in the period of time from 1964 to the present to gain political power.  I note from the posting that many others on this board are ignorant of the southern history of the republican party as well.  Brian missed the era of separate but very unequal schools, separate water fountains, separate waiting rooms and bath rooms, segregation academies, Duke's Public Clinic a resident staffed clinic only for the poor which were comprised of many of Durham's African Americans for residents in training to learn on and Duke's private diagnostic clinics (PDC) run by the faculty physicians for whites only.  Brian is also ignorant of the how Duke treated Dr. Dan Moore a skilled black OB-Gyn physician in the 1970's and later repented.  Brian was too young to see the worst parts of segregation.   Yippie did a good job explaining Reagan, McCain, Helms and East who reflected the era and sadly the culmination of the success of the Nixon Strategy.  I'm glad as PC pointed out Brian has reputed the recent sins of the post Nixon Strategy republican party with respect to the MLK Holiday which is next Saturday and will be celebrated at the the Holy Trinity Church, 309 Trinity Street, Siler City 27344. My fellow members of the Western Chapter of the NAACP would be happy to have Brian there as a guest and then we can all sing together "We Shall Overcome" together. I look forward to seeing Brian at Chatham's celebration of Martin Luther King's contribution to social justice and equality in the United States.

I am just curious, how do you know that Brian is not aware of these issues, and how old do you have to be to learn about history?  Why are people that did not a live in the time not allowed to discuss it?  To me, it seems like a multigenerational discussion is the best thing to help our country continue to move forward.

[NativeSon]

Just another elitist talking down to us.

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