NC Judge Manning rules on case involving postings to a blog in NC

[beinginferior]

They just want to find out who you are so they can attack you personally,  or more likely,  make life difficult for you like they did the fine folks at Shot of Spro and the lady who taught jewelry out of her home.  As usual,  they want to divert the argument from what it is TRULY about.  It is time to get rid of this 'Coalition' and their nepotism.  We need common sense in our government.  That choice will be offered on the county and state level this November. 

What is a TRUE shame is that people on here are actually scared to reveal their identity because they fear repercussions from this Coalition.  I hope we throw these bums out come November. 

[Pat Barnes]

Mark,
      You're becoming a politician..you didn't answer the question. I'll ask again, will you pull up those videos so we can all see them,and we'll go from there. You're memory is slipping, Jefferey distinctly mentioned Commissioner Barnes, and saying you don't know what I'm talking about is just plain lame. You filmed it, edited it, "produced" it. If you tell me you don't have it anymore, I'm just not gonna believe it. If you're the pro you say you are, you keep a copy, regardless. As a musician, I keep everything I ever recorded, cr*p or not, in a shoebox, in the back of the closet.
    Am I still pissed? Hell yes, but it's not anger that drives me, currently.. it's the sadness and shame and embarrassment I feel, and felt, for the way I was personally treated by Jeff and gang. And, yes, I will expound soon enough..Nicole was sitting beside me the night I spoke with Tom 2 and a half years ago, when he said we weren't friends, and had only had "limited" contact! Dude, I ran that man's sign campaign! He's been my next door neighbor for almost 15 years! I was in charge of signs for the entire freaking coalition!!! OK, I have to admit, I guess anger is a big part..but it's justified.
     I guess it's easy for you to smile and say, gosh, I thought we were still buds, but, hoss, you helped build the train that railroaded the ol' man..you call that electioneering? Shame on you, I'm disgusted.
     Mark, pull up the videos, and no tinkering..if you want honesty, pretend I'm from Missouri, and show me..

[mamacash2]

They just want to find out who you are so they can attack you personally,  or more likely,  make life difficult for you like they did the fine folks at Shot of Spro and the lady who taught jewelry out of her home.  As usual,  they want to divert the argument from what it is TRULY about.  It is time to get rid of this 'Coalition' and their nepotism.  We need common sense in our government.  That choice will be offered on the county and state level this November.  

What is a TRUE shame is that people on here are actually scared to reveal their identity because they fear repercussions from this Coalition.  I hope we throw these bums out come November.  

Why would anyone be afraid of the Coalition, or any other individual on this board? I understand the fear of not getting a job because someone disagrees with you BUT I do not see how these posts are SO important as to cause this kind of garbage throwing at each other.
Gene has control of this board and can at any time choose to block any member of this board and has in the past deemed it necessary. He has his reasons for this board and we all participate willingly. If you don't like the board then leave it alone as beinginferior has suggested. The Vollers are a part of this community and have been for years. Don't know enough about the Starkweathers to comment but I don't see them as dangerous. This is not a revolutionary board for anti-government, ant- establishment or any great stand. Just a bunch of us small fish in a big pond.

[beinginferior]

I have personally talked to small business folks who have told me because they did not support them,  their actual livelihood was effected.  To me,  that crosses an important line that government should NEVER cross.  NONE of them have private sector experience.  I agree,  nobody should be intimidated in that way.  When you have people living in fear,  well,  that is NOT the job of government. 

[Charles39]

I guess I am fortunate to have saved the "not for public view" emails from Mr. Voller, Mr. Hammond and Mr. Starkweather.

Should any of them opt to take me to court, it might make for an interesting "discovery" stage.

Why would Voller send "not for public view" emails when he talks so much about openess?

[Gene Galin]

P.S. Hey, Gene, glad to hear you kept those e-mails from john and jeff- i have a few myself from those two.

Patrick, I would guess that you do have some very interesting "not for public view" emails from Mr. Hammond and Mr. Starkweather.

I am sure that there are others with some of these same types of emails.

[Cry Baby]

FWIW I have no idea why Gene even bothers with this board. Unless I am missing something he can't be  making any money from it. He regularly has thin skinned politicians crying that someone has been unfair and he takes grief from them to cover for another's comments.

[Pat Barnes]

mamacash,
             It is not about fearing the Coalition, it's about being aware of it's past..I am using the word it to define a PAC, as opposed the word they, wherein I would be asked, "Who are they?", when everyone here already knows what I am saying..
             The second part of your post..what is so important about these posts is when someone slings something, is slinging it back any worse? No. If "they" sling me a piece o' pie, yummy!.. if "they" sling garbage, a quick return volley, and a firm no thank you  should be expected. mama, I respect the fact that you currently support the Coalition, but if they had done to you what I have seen, would you feel the same way? I know you can't answer that right now, but may I at least be afforded the opportunity to express my opinion, based on things that have been said and done, and not just on this post?
          ..the Starkweathers?.. you mean Jefferey and Dee?,..Good lord, do you know how close I was to them?...they're one of those families that never keeps their door locked,..I loved that man, and I really think he loved me,.. I used to go over to his his place all the time,..during those first 2 years, Dad, (Commissioner Barnes), and I, used to get 100 calls a day from him..I even did my laundry there during a rather pivotal election cycle a few years back,..the man was a chosen mentor,.. and then he just couldn't stop..man, I am heartbroken, over this man's failings.. I chose the wrong hero.. they're not dangerous..but they are not credible.
          That last paragraph was an attempt to display the truth in what it is that I'm saying,..mama, don't get too particular,but do you understand?
           I'm not trying to start a revolution, just raise awareness..
          so, uh, Mark, you gonna pull up those videos?..c'mon, if you're all about the truth, let's see it..
 
        P.S. Gene, I sincerely apologize if I am lowering certain given standards.. I love the BBS, and am a firm believer, that regardless of what anyone says, everyone has an eye on this chatlist,..they love it when it speaks in favor of a given subject, and condemn it when it speaks against,.. wow, I'm so surprised.
     
       P.S.S. Oh,Gene, you just made my night, and this spiel, so worth it,.. I type really slow,.. I'm a carpenter, not a computer geek!..  so by the time I finished what I started hours ago, you had made a response. Yes, Sir, I do,.. How 'bout we form a club?.. if the world only knew..
         

[mamacash2]

mamacash,
             It is not about fearing the Coalition, it's about being aware of it's past..I am using the word it to define a PAC, as opposed the word they, wherein I would be asked, "Who are they?", when everyone here already knows what I am saying..
             The second part of your post..what is so important about these posts is when someone slings something, is slinging it back any worse? No. If "they" sling me a piece o' pie, yummy!.. if "they" sling garbage, a quick return volley, and a firm no thank you  should be expected. mama, I respect the fact that you currently support the Coalition, but if they had done to you what I have seen, would you feel the same way? I know you can't answer that right now, but may I at least be afforded the opportunity to express my opinion, based on things that have been said and done, and not just on this post?
          ..the Starkweathers?.. you mean Jefferey and Dee?,..Good lord, do you know how close I was to them?...they're one of those families that never keeps their door locked,..I loved that man, and I really think he loved me,.. I used to go over to his his place all the time,..during those first 2 years, Dad, (Commissioner Barnes), and I, used to get 100 calls a day from him..I even did my laundry there during a rather pivotal election cycle a few years back,..the man was a chosen mentor,.. and then he just couldn't stop..man, I am heartbroken, over this man's failings.. I chose the wrong hero.. they're not dangerous..but they are not credible.
          That last paragraph was an attempt to display the truth in what it is that I'm saying,..mama, don't get too particular,but do you understand?
           I'm not trying to start a revolution, just raise awareness..
          so, uh, Mark, you gonna pull up those videos?..c'mon, if you're all about the truth, let's see it..
 
        P.S. Gene, I sincerely apologize if I am lowering certain given standards.. I love the BBS, and am a firm believer, that regardless of what anyone says, everyone has an eye on this chatlist,..they love it when it speaks in favor of a given subject, and condemn it when it speaks against,.. wow, I'm so surprised.
     
       P.S.S. Oh,Gene, you just made my night, and this spiel, so worth it,.. I type really slow,.. I'm a carpenter, not a computer geek!..  so by the time I finished what I started hours ago, you had made a response. Yes, Sir, I do,.. How 'bout we form a club?.. if the world only knew..
         

Sorry there Patrick... but lets understand each other...I would not know John Hammond if he approached me on the street unless he introduced himself. I have never to my knowledge been in any contact with the coalition..whomever they are. I know Starkweather, I am friends with the Vollers but politically we are not always in agreement, that does not change our friendship. I have known you since before any of you guys were born and put in tobacco on your family farm, Have the utmost respect for your father and all he has gone through in the name of Chatham County...raw deal there and he deserved better than he was given.
My point here is any one can have more than one avatar or posting ability on this board. If you watch closely you will even know that Gene has had a couple of personality's here on the BBS. It s his board he can do whatever he wants too, but don't for one minute think that....everything here on the board is on the up and up except for the few liberals that get pointed out occasionally "All that glitters is not gold" ,in more ways than one.    I am not supporting either side in this hunt because I don't have a dog in the fight. Mamacash               

[Gene Galin]

I guess I am fortunate to have saved the "not for public view" emails from Mr. Voller, Mr. Hammond and Mr. Starkweather.

Should any of them opt to take me to court, it might make for an interesting "discovery" stage.

From: John Hammond [mailto:djcat@mindspring.com]
Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 11:40 PM

Gene,
You are right I've come into a substantial amount of inheritance that I don't need. Publish only truthful facts that you can document in a court of law for anything you publish on your bulletin board about me. Then you will be ok. You know the best defense of libel is the truth.  Often short on your BS board.
John

[snowcamper]

Tyrants of all sorts have always sought to control speech.  By controlling language, they attempt to control thought.  

Franklin wrote a total of fourteen Silence Dogood letters between April 2 to October 8, 1722. When he stopped writing the letters, his brother placed an ad in the paper in an attempt to find out who the mysterious letter writer really was:

http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/Hoaxipedia/Silence_Dogood/

If any person or persons will give a true account of Mrs. Silence Dogood, whether dead or alive, married or unmarried, in town or countrey, that so, (if living) she may be spoke with, or letters convey’d to her, they shall have thanks for their pains.

Franklin's Letters began with:
And since it is observed, that the Generality of People, now a days, are unwilling either to commend or dispraise what they read, until they are in some measure informed who or what the Author of it is, whether he be poor or rich, old or young, a Schollar or a Leather Apron Man,  &c. and give their Opinion of the Performance, according to the Knowledge which they have of the Author's Circumstances, it may not be amiss to begin with a short Account of my past Life and present Condition, that the Reader may not be at a Loss to judge whether or no my Lucubrations are worth his reading.

...
I shall conclude this with my own Character, which (one would think) I should be best able to give. Know then, That I am an Enemy to Vice, and a Friend to Vertue. I am one of an extensive Charity, and a great Forgiver of private  Injuries: A hearty Lover of the Clergy and all good Men, and a mortal Enemy to arbitrary Government and unlimited Power. I am naturally very jealous for the Rights and Liberties of my Country; and the least appearance of an Incroachment on those invaluable Priviledges, is apt to make my Blood boil exceedingly. I have likewise a natural Inclination to observe and reprove the Faults of others, at which I have an excellent Faculty. I speak this by Way of Warning to all such whose Offences shall come under my Cognizance, for I never intend to wrap my Talent in a Napkin. To be brief; I am courteous and affable, good humour'd (unless I am first provok'd,) and handsome, and sometimes witty, but always, Sir, Your Friend and Humble Servant,

SILENCE DOGOOD.

Hammond has a problem as old as print.  Ben Franklin put it quite well:
from his 6th letter:
Among the many reigning Vices of the Town which may at any Time come under my Consideration and Reprehension, there is none which I am more inclin'd to expose than that of Pride. It is acknowledg'd by all to be a Vice the most hateful to God and Man. Even those who nourish it in themselves, hate to see it in others. The proud Man aspires after Nothing less than an unlimited Superiority over his Fellow-Creatures. He has made himself a King in Soliloquy; fancies himself conquering the World; and the Inhabitants thereof consulting on proper Methods to acknowledge his Merit.

...By striving to appear rich they become really poor, and deprive themselves of that Pity and Charity which is due to the humble poor Man, who is made so more immediately by Providence.

And the 8th:
"Without Freedom of Thought, there can be no such Thing as Wisdom; and no such Thing as publick Liberty, without Freedom of Speech; which is the Right of every Man, as far as by it, he does not hurt or controul the Right of another: And this is the only Check it ought to suffer, and the only Bounds it ought to know.

"This sacred Privilege is so essential to free Goverments, that the Security of Property, and the Freedom of Speech always go together; and in those wretched Countries where a Man cannot call his Tongue his own, he can scarce call any Thing else his own. Whoever would overthrow the Liberty of a Nation, must begin by subduing the Freeness of Speech; a Thing terrible to Publick Traytors.

..."Guilt only dreads Liberty of Speech, which drags it out of its lurking Holes, and exposes its Deformity and Horrour to Daylight. Horatius, Valerius, Cincinnatus, and other vertuous and undesigning Magistrates of the Roman Commonwealth, had nothing to fear from Liberty of Speech. Their virtuous Administration, the more it was examin'd, the more it brightned and gain'd by Enquiry. When Valerius in particular, was accused upon some slight grounds of affecting the Diadem; he, who was the first Minister of Rome, does not accuse the People for examining his Conduct, but approved his Innocence in a Speech to them; and gave such Satisfaction to them, and gained such Popularity to himself, that they gave him a new Name; inde cognomen factum Publicolae est; to denote that he was their Favourite and their Friend.

..."But Things afterwards took another Turn. Rome, with the Loss of its Liberty, lost also its Freedom of Speech; then Mens Words began to be feared and watched; and then first began the poysonous Race of Informers,  banished indeed under the righteous Administration of Titus, Narva, Trajan, Aurelius, &c. but encouraged and enriched under the vile Ministry of Sejanus, Tigillinus, Pallas, and Cleander: Queri libet, quod in secreta nostra non inquirant principes, nisi quos Odimus, says Pliny to Trajan.

"The best Princes have ever encouraged and promoted Freedom of Speech; they know that upright Measures would defend themselves, and that all upright Men would defend them. Tacitus, speaking of the Reign of some of the Princes abovemention'd, says with Extasy, Rara Temporum felicitate, ubi sentire quae velis, & quae sentias dicere licet: A blessed Time when you might think what you would, and speak what you thought.

I couldn't have said it better myself.
-Snowcamper

(most quotes from http://www.ushistory.org/franklin/courant/silencedogood.htm)

[Cry Baby]

Apparently Mr. Hammond has graduated from appearing to be a baby to appearing to be a wealthy baby. We should all applaud him in his new found good fortune. I assume he is going to make some massive charitable contributions this year too given that he seems to have such a giving personality?

[chrstnhsbndfthr]

[Gene Galin]

Received the following from Chatham Coalition Steering Committee member Tim Keim

-----Original Message-----
From: tim keim [mailto:timkeim811@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:15 AM
Subject: Anonymous Postings on the Bulletin Board

First, thanks for the communication service that the Chatlist provides our community. It is an important forum for all our citizens.

The bulleting board, on the other hand, because of anonymity it allows has become a place where cowardly invective bordering on slander may be spread without consequence. Savage, baseless attacks on reputable Pittsboro citizens cause harm to individuals and to our civil discourse. Those who participate in these attacks probably wouldn't do so if they had to put their own names on them. This cowardice is reprehensible and unbecoming of the service you provide. For the sake of integrity, decent social expression and constructive dialogue, I'm asking you to no longer allow anonymous posts. Genuine whistle blowers I'm sure can make their concerns known in appropriate fashion. I'm asking you to take responsibility for the part of this service that has degenerated into something less than what our citizens deserve. The general rule should be: If you won't stand behind what you say with your identity, then you don't deserve the freedom of a public forum to
 spread lies, innuendo and rumor. Non-transparent ambush of a person's reputation and standing in the community is not freedom, it is just the tyranny of the cowardly. Please remove your support from those who would degrade our community by spewing their chicken liver bile.

Sincerely,

Timothy Keim

[Gene Galin]

Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 22:13:10 -0400
From: "Gene"
My Take on Using "Real Names"

The discussion about using "real names" on the chatlist [and bulletin board] comes up every several years (usually around election time).

Please don't underestimate the chatlist [and bulletin board] member.  Chatlist [and bulletin board] members are intelligent enough to evaluate the source of an anonymous writing.  They can see it is anonymous.  They can evaluate its anonymity along with its message, as long as they are permitted, as they should be, to read that message.  And then, once they have done so, it is for them to decide what is "responsible," what is valuable, and what is truth.

Protecting anonymity is necessary to induce some authors to contribute valuable information to the marketplace of ideas.

Anonymous authors historically have made contributions to the "progress of mankind".  There are benign reasons that an author may choose to remain anonymous: fear of retaliation or reprisal, the desire to avoid social ostracism, the wish to protect privacy, or the fear that the audience's biases will distort the meaning of the work.

"Anonymity is a shield from the tyranny of the majority" without which public discourse would certainly suffer.

An author's decision to remain anonymous is an exercise of autonomy over choice of content, and "an author generally is free to decide whether or not to disclose his or her true identity." The decision to remain anonymous is an editorial judgment like any other, which makes choosing to omit one's name no different than choosing to omit an opposing viewpoint.

Speakers may use the shield of anonymity for a variety of purposes, only some of which may be consistent with the public good; at the same time, audiences may not accord anonymous speech as much value as attributed speech.

http://www.law.berkeley.edu/institutes/bclt/ipsc/papers2/Cotter-Lidsky.doc

"the First Amendment, as interpreted by the United States Supreme Court, confers upon authors a right to speak anonymously or pseudonymously, even when this right interferes with audiences’ attempts to decode their messages."

From the Lidsky and Cotter paper -

Judge Learned Hand once famously wrote that “the First Amendment . . . presupposes that right conclusions are more likely to be gathered out of a multitude of tongues, than through any kind of authoritative selection.  To many this is, and always will be, folly; but we have staked upon it our all.”   As Judge Hand recognized, democracy rests on our faith in citizens’ ability to decide for themselves where truth lies in public discourse.

Gene
Chatlist [and bulletin board] Moderator

[Tags:]

Jump to: Please select a destination: ----------------------------- Chatham County Online ----------------------------- => Chatham County Online => Chatham County Schools => Chatham County Food & Drink => Chatham County Music & Arts => Chatham Community Calendar => Free Classifieds & Help Wanted Ads => Noah's Ark - All Creatures Great & Small. => Neighbor to Neighbor => Gardening and Agriculture => Chatham County Real Estate => North Carolina => This, That and Everything Else