FINAL GRADE FOR THE CHATHAM COALITION? A BIG FAT F

[chrstnhsbndfthr]

Patrick,

This is none of my business, but I have heard the slanders against your dad for burying a vehicle. Then someone who knew your family and what really happened explained what really happened and why.

I am so sorry that people are so evil. I fully understand what your Dad did and it makes perfect sense to me after it was explained. I believe I would have done exactly the same thing. The Lord rebuke those who used this incident for political gain and God protect them from the loss and pain that would help them understand.

Again, I am sorry.

[Silk_Hope]

Patrick your words are being heard, from the paper to Barry Hayes  on WNCA and all around Chatham. Keep up the good work.

[Pat Barnes]

CHF,
       No worries, we settled that years ago, you and I.  NC Beachbum started the whole thing, but he's long gone.
       I would like to believe we are on the same team. It's called Chatham County.
       
Silk Hope,
              Thanks, ummm,,,, I didn't ask for this.
       
        It didn't have to be this way, but it is what it is.
       
       

[zorro]

Thank you Patrick,  it is good to know and understand some of these personalities.  It certainly explains many things for me.  

I have to say though,  if we are getting rid of the Coalition,  then George must go too.  It is time for a change of thought in this county,  and George to me represents that old guard,  and the old way of thinking.  I prefer a step back to the middle,  and more moderate candidates.  No matter how hard the Coalition tries to tie Stewart,  Bock,  and Petty to the past through scare tactics,  I believe it is time for a new direction.  This slate of candidates can offer that to us.  Just my two cents.  

Thanks again Patrick.  

If Lucier would distance himself from Starkweather and the non-elected members of the coalition I could support him. As I posted earlier Mr. Lucier seems to trying to have it both ways. IMO it is time for him to take a stand. He either agrees with the tactics of the coalition or not. If he does not he needs to say so and not allow them to use his name any longer.

Anyone doubt that George Lucier and Tom Vanderbeck will take the Chatham Coalition money again this election season?

Look at the financial reports they filed with the Board of Elections and you decide - http://www.chathamnc.org/Index.aspx?page=417

[whatsup]

Anyone doubt that George Lucier and Tom Vanderbeck will take the Chatham Coalition money again this election season?

Look at the financial reports they filed with the Board of Elections and you decide - http://www.chathamnc.org/Index.aspx?page=417

I am going to need some help here with the numbers.

Do the financial records show that Commissioner George Lucier owes $8,000+? Is this number correct?

How is he going to repay all this money?

[Muddylaces]

Anyone doubt that George Lucier and Tom Vanderbeck will take the Chatham Coalition money again this election season?

Look at the financial reports they filed with the Board of Elections and you decide - http://www.chathamnc.org/Index.aspx?page=417

I am going to need some help here with the numbers.

Do the financial records show that Commissioner George Lucier owes $8,000+? Is this number correct?

How is he going to repay all this money?

No.   I believe what that means is he gave his campaign $8k of his personal money, and he reserves the right to pay himself back with campaign funds.    Can someone correct me if I'm wrong on that?

[Patty52]

I am going to need some help here with the numbers.

Do the financial records show that Commissioner George Lucier owes $8,000+? Is this number correct?

How is he going to repay all this money?

No.   I believe what that means is he gave his campaign $8k of his personal money, and he reserves the right to pay himself back with campaign funds.    Can someone correct me if I'm wrong on that?

Correct, muddy. That is why he is listed as the LENDER.

[SBB]

Whether you like the Chatham Coalition or not, their endorsement doesn't mean that a candidate belongs or even agrees with all the Chatham Coalition wants. It just means that of the candidates running that those are the ones they prefer.  If you don't like some of the leaders of the Chatham Coalition, please don't let that influence who you choose for your County Commissioners.   For example George Lucier has never had one of the Chatham Coalition on his campaign committee (not now and not in the past).  For those who haven't been around for several campaign cycles, the Chatham Coalition was formed as a Political arm of several environmental groups in the county who wanted to counter the commissioners at the time who were promoting a lot of residential growth without the needed infrastruture to support it and they (Morgan) were being funded by outside (out of state and county) builders. 

The current commissioners were voted into the county to bring a more reasonable approach where growth is planned and infrastructure (schools, water, sewer, roads, etc.) is planned to be there when it is needed.  They have done a great job in fiscally managing the budget so that no teachers lost their jobs and the county has a great bond rating which also saves us money.  They were given the 2009 County Commissioners Award from the North Carolina School Board Association for their support of education.  They also reduced the County budget by 3% last year while increasing their support to the schools.  That was hard to do due to the cut back in funds from the State and bad economic conditions.  The current commissioners are good honest people that you can trust to do what is best for the County, not what is good just for outside developers.  In addition they have a lot of experience in working through county problems by working on various boards, such as the Planning board.
Please look at their web pages at:

George Lucier: http://lucier4chatham.blogspot.com/
Rev. Carl Thompson: http://sites.google.com/site/electcarlthompson/about-me
Tom Vanderbeck: http://www.vanderbeck4chatham.org/

These people have done a great job during a tough time and deserve to be re-elected. 

P.S.  I'm on noone's campaign committee and haven't been asked by anyone to write this.  Just felt that the commissioners were getting a raw deal just because one person has a personal beef with someone else that supported them.

[zorro]

So are you saying that George Lucier, Tom Vanderbeck and Carl Thompson will NOT be accepting ANY Chatham Coalition money?

And why is George attending Chatham Coalition fundraising events? Does he agree with what the Chatham Coalition is calling it's opponents or not? If what you state is try why isn't he distancing himself from an organization which is pretty much simply turning into a hate group?

From http://chatham-county-nc.com/bulletinboard/index.php/topic,19726.msg197833.html#msg197833
The current candidates, Democrat and Republican, don't need the Coalition to make this election happen.The Coalition does, however, need those candidates.
I would suggest all the Coalition candidates immediately renounce the Coalition

Whether you like the Chatham Coalition or not, their endorsement doesn't mean that a candidate belongs or even agrees with all the Chatham Coalition wants. It just means that of the candidates running that those are the ones they prefer.  If you don't like some of the leaders of the Chatham Coalition, please don't let that influence who you choose for your County Commissioners.   For example George Lucier has never had one of the Chatham Coalition on his campaign committee (not now and not in the past).  For those who haven't been around for several campaign cycles, the Chatham Coalition was formed as a Political arm of several environmental groups in the county who wanted to counter the commissioners at the time who were promoting a lot of residential growth without the needed infrastruture to support it and they (Morgan) were being funded by outside (out of state and county) builders. 

The current commissioners were voted into the county to bring a more reasonable approach where growth is planned and infrastructure (schools, water, sewer, roads, etc.) is planned to be there when it is needed.  They have done a great job in fiscally managing the budget so that no teachers lost their jobs and the county has a great bond rating which also saves us money.  They were given the 2009 County Commissioners Award from the North Carolina School Board Association for their support of education.  They also reduced the County budget by 3% last year while increasing their support to the schools.  That was hard to do due to the cut back in funds from the State and bad economic conditions.  The current commissioners are good honest people that you can trust to do what is best for the County, not what is good just for outside developers.  In addition they have a lot of experience in working through county problems by working on various boards, such as the Planning board.
Please look at their web pages at:

George Lucier: http://lucier4chatham.blogspot.com/
Rev. Carl Thompson: http://sites.google.com/site/electcarlthompson/about-me
Tom Vanderbeck: http://www.vanderbeck4chatham.org/

These people have done a great job during a tough time and deserve to be re-elected. 

P.S.  I'm on noone's campaign committee and haven't been asked by anyone to write this.  Just felt that the commissioners were getting a raw deal just because one person has a personal beef with someone else that supported them.

[Cry Baby]

Mr. Lucier seems to be trying to have this both ways. It is not possible to tell if he has an active roll in the coalition or not but it appears he allows his name to be used in their fund raising letters and his name appears in their materials etc.

The Coalition is a PAC. They take money and promote their political views. As is obvious the Coalition has lost a lot of its appeal because of the caustic personalities associated with it. In my opinion Mr. Lucier will either take a stand against the coalitions more nasty members or he will forever be associated with their nastiness.

Chatham is a county dominated by Democrats. If any Republican wins in 2010 it will be a massive indictment of the Coalition and its tactics. Why? Because I believe the bulk of folks in Chatham had not problem with the policies the coalition folks ran on. Now, as is obvious, some of the more silly positions they have created may have changed that.

[chrstnhsbndfthr]

If you have ever seen Jeffrey stand up and shout orders, DURING a BOC meeting, and then watched the Commissioners snap to, you would know who holds Lucier's leash. I have seen it with my own eyes and find it repulsive.

Mr. Lucier seems to be trying to have this both ways. It is not possible to tell if he has an active roll in the coalition or not but it appears he allows his name to be used in their fund raising letters and his name appears in their materials etc.

The Coalition is a PAC. They take money and promote their political views. As is obvious the Coalition has lost a lot of its appeal because of the caustic personalities associated with it. In my opinion Mr. Lucier will either take a stand against the coalitions more nasty members or he will forever be associated with their nastiness.

Chatham is a county dominated by Democrats. If any Republican wins in 2010 it will be a massive indictment of the Coalition and its tactics. Why? Because I believe the bulk of folks in Chatham had not problem with the policies the coalition folks ran on. Now, as is obvious, some of the more silly positions they have created may have changed that.

[Snowball]

If you have ever seen Jeffrey stand up and shout orders, DURING a BOC meeting, and then watched the Commissioners snap to, you would know who holds Lucier's leash. I have seen it with my own eyes and find it repulsive.

Mr. Lucier seems to be trying to have this both ways. It is not possible to tell if he has an active roll in the coalition or not but it appears he allows his name to be used in their fund raising letters and his name appears in their materials etc.

The Coalition is a PAC. They take money and promote their political views. As is obvious the Coalition has lost a lot of its appeal because of the caustic personalities associated with it. In my opinion Mr. Lucier will either take a stand against the coalitions more nasty members or he will forever be associated with their nastiness.

Chatham is a county dominated by Democrats. If any Republican wins in 2010 it will be a massive indictment of the Coalition and its tactics. Why? Because I believe the bulk of folks in Chatham had not problem with the policies the coalition folks ran on. Now, as is obvious, some of the more silly positions they have created may have changed that.

What power does Jeffrey have over Lucier?  I don't get it.

[whatsup]

What power does Jeffrey have over Lucier?  I don't get it.

Is it the money that the Chatham Coalition has sunk into Lucier, Vanderbeck and Thompson for their campaigns?

I asked about the $8,000 George Lucier owes on his campaign. Is it safe to assume that the Chatham Coalition will move some money his way?

[WolfpackFan]

The current commissioners were voted into the county to bring a more reasonable approach where growth is planned and infrastructure (schools, water, sewer, roads, etc.) is planned to be there when it is needed. 

Really?  Please tell us how the water deal at Lake Jordan is going that Patrick Barnes worked so hard on.

[mary51802]

Mr. Lucier seems to be trying to have this both ways. It is not possible to tell if he has an active roll in the coalition or not but it appears he allows his name to be used in their fund raising letters and his name appears in their materials etc.

The Coalition is a PAC. They take money and promote their political views. As is obvious the Coalition has lost a lot of its appeal because of the caustic personalities associated with it. In my opinion Mr. Lucier will either take a stand against the coalitions more nasty members or he will forever be associated with their nastiness.

Chatham is a county dominated by Democrats. If any Republican wins in 2010 it will be a massive indictment of the Coalition and its tactics. Why? Because I believe the bulk of folks in Chatham had not problem with the policies the coalition folks ran on. Now, as is obvious, some of the more silly positions they have created may have changed that.

Chatham is actually highly Republican. The Pittsboro area is where the Democratic concentration is. A lot of people turned and voted the current bunch in because Bunky Morgan was out of control with growth and people thought we would become another Cary. The current group claimed they would do smart, steady growth and it has not happened. They have killed it altogether. Trust me, they will be voted out. Most of Chatham is made up of of rural farmers and small towns and they are highly Republican. We are in the Bennett area and Bock is highly favored.. Not a Democrat for miles here.

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