FINAL GRADE FOR THE CHATHAM COALITION? A BIG FAT F

[Silk_Hope]

Also many in rural Chatham are DINOs because it gives them more voting choices.

[RJLeeb]

Whether you like the Chatham Coalition or not, their endorsement doesn't mean that a candidate belongs or even agrees with all the Chatham Coalition wants. It just means that of the candidates running that those are the ones they prefer.  If you don't like some of the leaders of the Chatham Coalition, please don't let that influence who you choose for your County Commissioners.   For example George Lucier has never had one of the Chatham Coalition on his campaign committee (not now and not in the past).  For those who haven't been around for several campaign cycles, the Chatham Coalition was formed as a Political arm of several environmental groups in the county who wanted to counter the commissioners at the time who were promoting a lot of residential growth without the needed infrastruture to support it and they (Morgan) were being funded by outside (out of state and county) builders.  

As far as I can tell, the BOC, Lucier included, have kowtowed to the desires of an environmental special interest group.  Look no further than the positions they have created within county government for evidence of this.

That is the primary reason the BOC is under so much criticism.  It isn't their association with the Coalition, as much as it is that so many of their actions are right in line with Coalition.

The current commissioners were voted into the county to bring a more reasonable approach where growth is planned and infrastructure (schools, water, sewer, roads, etc.) is planned to be there when it is needed.  They have done a great job in fiscally managing the budget so that no teachers lost their jobs and the county has a great bond rating which also saves us money.  They were given the 2009 County Commissioners Award from the North Carolina School Board Association for their support of education.  They also reduced the County budget by 3% last year while increasing their support to the schools.  That was hard to do due to the cut back in funds from the State and bad economic conditions.  The current commissioners are good honest people that you can trust to do what is best for the County, not what is good just for outside developers.

If they were truly interested in doing what is good for the county, then one would think they would create an environment (no pun intended) that is better for small businesses.  If they really care about what is best of the citizens of Chatham County, then they wouldn't have such unreasonable criteria for businesses, i.e. they wouldn't be pushing some radical environmentalist agenda that has pushed at least one large employer out of the county and, in all probability, has discouraged others...all of this in the midst of an economic downturn.

The BOC are unreasonable and extremist.  They are not interested in representing the citizens of Chatham County.  They are interested in telling us what we can do with our own property.  They are interested in putting a Land Transfer Tax in place, against the will of the citizens.

They need to be voted out.

You know who's getting a raw deal so long as the BOC is in power?

Chatham County.

[Cry Baby]

Mr. Lucier seems to be trying to have this both ways. It is not possible to tell if he has an active roll in the coalition or not but it appears he allows his name to be used in their fund raising letters and his name appears in their materials etc.

The Coalition is a PAC. They take money and promote their political views. As is obvious the Coalition has lost a lot of its appeal because of the caustic personalities associated with it. In my opinion Mr. Lucier will either take a stand against the coalitions more nasty members or he will forever be associated with their nastiness.

Chatham is a county dominated by Democrats. If any Republican wins in 2010 it will be a massive indictment of the Coalition and its tactics. Why? Because I believe the bulk of folks in Chatham had not problem with the policies the coalition folks ran on. Now, as is obvious, some of the more silly positions they have created may have changed that.

Chatham is actually highly Republican. The Pittsboro area is where the Democratic concentration is. A lot of people turned and voted the current bunch in because Bunky Morgan was out of control with growth and people thought we would become another Cary. The current group claimed they would do smart, steady growth and it has not happened. They have killed it altogether. Trust me, they will be voted out. Most of Chatham is made up of of rural farmers and small towns and they are highly Republican. We are in the Bennett area and Bock is highly favored.. Not a Democrat for miles here.

Chatham is highly Republican? I would like you to produce evidence of this. You know actual election of Republicans in county wide races? Until then I want some of what you are smoking.

[Muddylaces]

 ....They are interested in putting a Land Transfer Tax in place, against the will of the citizens....

RJ,  You have to be careful throwing out claims like this without any proof.   Do you have anything to back up this up?

[Muddylaces]

Mr. Lucier seems to be trying to have this both ways. It is not possible to tell if he has an active roll in the coalition or not but it appears he allows his name to be used in their fund raising letters and his name appears in their materials etc.

The Coalition is a PAC. They take money and promote their political views. As is obvious the Coalition has lost a lot of its appeal because of the caustic personalities associated with it. In my opinion Mr. Lucier will either take a stand against the coalitions more nasty members or he will forever be associated with their nastiness.

Chatham is a county dominated by Democrats. If any Republican wins in 2010 it will be a massive indictment of the Coalition and its tactics. Why? Because I believe the bulk of folks in Chatham had not problem with the policies the coalition folks ran on. Now, as is obvious, some of the more silly positions they have created may have changed that.

Chatham is actually highly Republican. The Pittsboro area is where the Democratic concentration is. A lot of people turned and voted the current bunch in because Bunky Morgan was out of control with growth and people thought we would become another Cary. The current group claimed they would do smart, steady growth and it has not happened. They have killed it altogether. Trust me, they will be voted out. Most of Chatham is made up of of rural farmers and small towns and they are highly Republican. We are in the Bennett area and Bock is highly favored.. Not a Democrat for miles here.

Chatham is highly Republican? I would like you to produce evidence of this. You know actual election of Republicans in county wide races? Until then I want some of what you are smoking.

Last I heard, all the republicans plus all of the unaffiliated almost equal the registered democrats.   This election is going to be all about enthusiasm.     The democrats are likely going to vote by sitting home.

[Cry Baby]

Your comment was that Chatham is highly Republican. That is simply not true. This county has been dominated by Democrats since reconstruction. North Carolina has been dominated by Democrats as well.

[zorro]

 ....They are interested in putting a Land Transfer Tax in place, against the will of the citizens....

RJ,  You have to be careful throwing out claims like this without any proof.   Do you have anything to back up this up?

It's in the Jan 19th minutes....
Already discussed at http://chatham-county-nc.com/bulletinboard/index.php/topic,18168.0.html

The BOC also wanted to increase the sales tax in Chatham County. But decided to hold off on it until after the elections. Wonder why?

[whatsup]

Wasn't John Grimes the last Republican to win a county commissioner seat?

[WolfpackFan]

Mr. Lucier seems to be trying to have this both ways. It is not possible to tell if he has an active roll in the coalition or not but it appears he allows his name to be used in their fund raising letters and his name appears in their materials etc.

The Coalition is a PAC. They take money and promote their political views. As is obvious the Coalition has lost a lot of its appeal because of the caustic personalities associated with it. In my opinion Mr. Lucier will either take a stand against the coalitions more nasty members or he will forever be associated with their nastiness.

Chatham is a county dominated by Democrats. If any Republican wins in 2010 it will be a massive indictment of the Coalition and its tactics. Why? Because I believe the bulk of folks in Chatham had not problem with the policies the coalition folks ran on. Now, as is obvious, some of the more silly positions they have created may have changed that.

Chatham is actually highly Republican. The Pittsboro area is where the Democratic concentration is. A lot of people turned and voted the current bunch in because Bunky Morgan was out of control with growth and people thought we would become another Cary. The current group claimed they would do smart, steady growth and it has not happened. They have killed it altogether. Trust me, they will be voted out. Most of Chatham is made up of of rural farmers and small towns and they are highly Republican. We are in the Bennett area and Bock is highly favored.. Not a Democrat for miles here.

Chatham is highly Republican? I would like you to produce evidence of this. You know actual election of Republicans in county wide races? Until then I want some of what you are smoking.

Last I heard, all the republicans plus all of the unaffiliated almost equal the registered democrats.   This election is going to be all about enthusiasm.     The democrats are likely going to vote by sitting home.

I would not bet on that Muddy.  One thing the democrats do is vote, sometime twice .  If people are interested in a change, they are going to have to come out and vote for it.

[John Florida]

[mary51802]

Mr. Lucier seems to be trying to have this both ways. It is not possible to tell if he has an active roll in the coalition or not but it appears he allows his name to be used in their fund raising letters and his name appears in their materials etc.

The Coalition is a PAC. They take money and promote their political views. As is obvious the Coalition has lost a lot of its appeal because of the caustic personalities associated with it. In my opinion Mr. Lucier will either take a stand against the coalitions more nasty members or he will forever be associated with their nastiness.

Chatham is a county dominated by Democrats. If any Republican wins in 2010 it will be a massive indictment of the Coalition and its tactics. Why? Because I believe the bulk of folks in Chatham had not problem with the policies the coalition folks ran on. Now, as is obvious, some of the more silly positions they have created may have changed that.

Chatham is actually highly Republican. The Pittsboro area is where the Democratic concentration is. A lot of people turned and voted the current bunch in because Bunky Morgan was out of control with growth and people thought we would become another Cary. The current group claimed they would do smart, steady growth and it has not happened. They have killed it altogether. Trust me, they will be voted out. Most of Chatham is made up of of rural farmers and small towns and they are highly Republican. We are in the Bennett area and Bock is highly favored.. Not a Democrat for miles here.

Chatham is highly Republican? I would like you to produce evidence of this. You know actual election of Republicans in county wide races? Until then I want some of what you are smoking.

Come out to Goldston, Bennett, Bonlee, and Silk Hope and you can poll people and see. Go to the town cafe's and all you hear is about how good Republicans are. The farm population here is not small, organic farms but large beef and goat and corn operations and they know the Repubs are more farm bill friendly. I have had actual Republican poll workers who blog here confirm this before. I just came back from the BP at Harpers Crossroads and they are all Obama bashing and Perdue bashing. Scroll down to the political standings in this city data info page.

http://www.city-data.com/county/Chatham_County-NC.html

[Patty52]

Is it the money that the Chatham Coalition has sunk into Lucier, Vanderbeck and Thompson for their campaigns?

I asked about the $8,000 George Lucier owes on his campaign. Is it safe to assume that the Chatham Coalition will move some money his way?

Please read the responses to your question. Lucier does not owe $8,000.00 on his campaign. He already had $8000.00 and loaned his campaign the money. As I said before, that is why he is listed as the LENDER.

[Muddylaces]

Mr. Lucier seems to be trying to have this both ways. It is not possible to tell if he has an active roll in the coalition or not but it appears he allows his name to be used in their fund raising letters and his name appears in their materials etc.

The Coalition is a PAC. They take money and promote their political views. As is obvious the Coalition has lost a lot of its appeal because of the caustic personalities associated with it. In my opinion Mr. Lucier will either take a stand against the coalitions more nasty members or he will forever be associated with their nastiness.

Chatham is a county dominated by Democrats. If any Republican wins in 2010 it will be a massive indictment of the Coalition and its tactics. Why? Because I believe the bulk of folks in Chatham had not problem with the policies the coalition folks ran on. Now, as is obvious, some of the more silly positions they have created may have changed that.

Chatham is actually highly Republican. The Pittsboro area is where the Democratic concentration is. A lot of people turned and voted the current bunch in because Bunky Morgan was out of control with growth and people thought we would become another Cary. The current group claimed they would do smart, steady growth and it has not happened. They have killed it altogether. Trust me, they will be voted out. Most of Chatham is made up of of rural farmers and small towns and they are highly Republican. We are in the Bennett area and Bock is highly favored.. Not a Democrat for miles here.

Chatham is highly Republican? I would like you to produce evidence of this. You know actual election of Republicans in county wide races? Until then I want some of what you are smoking.

Come out to Goldston, Bennett, Bonlee, and Silk Hope and you can poll people and see. Go to the town cafe's and all you hear is about how good Republicans are. The farm population here is not small, organic farms but large beef and goat and corn operations and they know the Repubs are more farm bill friendly. I have had actual Republican poll workers who blog here confirm this before. I just came back from the BP at Harpers Crossroads and they are all Obama bashing and Perdue bashing. Scroll down to the political standings in this city data info page.

http://www.city-data.com/county/Chatham_County-NC.html

There are over 20k registered Democrats.  Every other registered voter combined is around 20k.      Mary you should visit the Bock-Stewart-Petty headquarters tonight at 7.   You can pick up your free election swag.

[whatsup]

Is it the money that the Chatham Coalition has sunk into Lucier, Vanderbeck and Thompson for their campaigns?

I asked about the $8,000 George Lucier owes on his campaign. Is it safe to assume that the Chatham Coalition will move some money his way?

Please read the responses to your question. Lucier does not owe $8,000.00 on his campaign. He already had $8000.00 and loaned his campaign the money. As I said before, that is why he is listed as the LENDER.

OK.

So how is George Lucier's campaign going to pay back George Lucier?

or simply put

How is George Lucier going to pay himself back?


Chatham Coalition money?

[Patty52]

OK.

So how is George Lucier's campaign going to pay back George Lucier?

or simply put

How is George Lucier going to pay himself back?


Chatham Coalition money?

He doesn't have to. As muddy said in answer to your original question:

No.   I believe what that means is he gave his campaign $8k of his personal money, and he reserves the right to pay himself back with campaign funds.    Can someone correct me if I'm wrong on that?

Candidates loan their own campaigns money all the time. Meg Whitman in California has lent her campaign over $70 million so far. They may or may not get repaid, and there are limits as to how much a campaign can repay a candidate, depending on the race involved.

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