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« on: August 22, 2010, 05:00:26 AM »

I am wondering if anyone has any experience with how to handle a ridiculously long bus ride.  My daughter needs to take the Northwood bus.  We live 5-7 minutes away from the school.  While her morning ride is nothing (even though the bus stop has been changed from the previous stop to more than a mile walk from our home), the afternoon ride is TWO hours and TWENTY FIVE minutes long, having her dropped off at 5:25 pm, after being released from school at 3.  And throw in the additional walking time, my daughter will be lucky to get home by 5:45 pm.  Whoever does the rearranging of routes has altered our particular stop so unreasonably that people in our neighborhood have been shocked.  The kids used to just have to deal with a 6:15 am pick up time, which is probably only an hour and half on the bus in the morning and then a 3:25 drop off time, which is very reasonable. 

While we are used to an hour or so bus ride from middle school days and very early in the morning pick up times, this is absolutely ridiculous, especially with living so close to the school itself.  I told her she could walk the 8 or so miles home and be back before 5:25!  I know life is not fair and it even sucks sometimes, but are there any reasonable parameters for making decisions of how long a kid is riding a bus?  And before I get speeches from people about taking my own child to school, I have to work, far away, and need bus service...
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« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2010, 07:36:59 AM »

Since it sounds like there are others in your neighborhood who are in the same boat, perhaps you can all carpool and maybe each would only have to drive one day a week.  We rode with 3 other families in our neighborhood in the mornings causing us to only have to drive one day a week and every 4th Friday.  We did not do afternoon carpool as the kids were in different activities and all left at different times. 

Or if you can not take off early one a day a week to drive the carpool, you might be able to find a high schooler that you could pay for your child to ride with or even hire someone who could drive.  Just other ways to think outside the box, at least until maybe the bus thing can be looked into further... 
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« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2010, 08:26:36 AM »

You will have to talk to someone at the bus garage for the school system to see if something can be done.  They set up the routes.  The schools are not allowed to change the routes.
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« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2010, 08:45:09 AM »

From Mr. Cavisness's presentation at the last school board meeting, there is one Northwood bus that picks up starting at 5:25 am and that last drops off at 5:25 pm. From what he said, that bus, 172 starts on the east side of Jordan Lake, in the far reaches of the county (I don't remember, but either the part of Chatham that you have to go into Wake County to get to, or the part that abuts Harnett County.) Those areas are within 5-7 minutes of the school. I would contact Mr. Caviness, but if you are on the west side of the lake (meaning that the long bus ride is not due the difficult location far from the school), I would follow up with a school board member - I suggest Flint O'brien who is most concerned about the length of school bus rides.

http://www.chatham.k12.nc.us/board/meetings/2009-2010/08_09_10_boemtg/Agenda%20Item%20-%20Transportation%20Update%2008-09-10%202.pdf
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« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2010, 11:06:59 AM »

During my senior year, I lived in New Hill and was the 2nd person to be picked up on the school bus at around 5:30, it wasn't very fun, but ya gotta do what ya gotta do...
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« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2010, 03:36:28 PM »

...We live 5-7 minutes away from the school.  ..... I told her she could walk the 8 or so miles home ....


You'd be driving between 96 mph and 68.5 mph.    I hope you slow to 20 mph in the school zone Smiley
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« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2010, 03:47:18 PM »

Then again it is possible, after all I have seen your husband drive, with his car and his highly erratic taylormade driver.
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« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2010, 11:17:10 AM »

I am most concerned about the change this year from my son being dropped off at our house to being dropped off at the end of the dirt road and he now has to walk a mile to get home.  Not cool!  It is dangerous and how do they think this is safe?  What happens in the winter when it is in the teens?  Plus, they are making a kindergartner walk a quarter mile home ALONE!  This is not a good policy in my opinion.  They told us they couldn't cross the bridge on our road but the dump trucks from the State do it all the time loaded with rock so I am not buying that excuse!!!  They can't guarantee their safety when forced to walk so far alone.
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« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2010, 12:13:01 PM »

once upon a time when my son was kicked off the bus for 2-3 days and I had no way of getting him to school...I was told riding the bus to school was a privilege, not a right. He incurred unexcused absences for the days I couldn't get him there and the school didn't care. Are schools legally required to provide transportation? If so, what are the parameters they must satisfy?
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« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2010, 01:07:18 PM »

I am most concerned about the change this year from my son being dropped off at our house to being dropped off at the end of the dirt road and he now has to walk a mile to get home.  Not cool!  It is dangerous and how do they think this is safe?  What happens in the winter when it is in the teens?  Plus, they are making a kindergartner walk a quarter mile home ALONE!  This is not a good policy in my opinion.  They told us they couldn't cross the bridge on our road but the dump trucks from the State do it all the time loaded with rock so I am not buying that excuse!!!  They can't guarantee their safety when forced to walk so far alone.

I know budgets are tight, but I believe there are other areas that can be trimmed before putting children's safety at risk. Have a friend in Fl. and the schools where she lives decided if you lived within 2 (!) miles of the school, there would be no bus pick-up. A beautiful little girl was kidnapped while on her mile walk home and murdered.
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« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2010, 04:11:52 PM »

The transportation director is Joel Caviness joelc@chatham.k12.nc.us TEL (919) 542-2715

Board policies
Goals of Student Transportation Services http://policy.chatham.k12.nc.us/mediawiki/index.php/Policy_6300
Bus Routes http://policy.chatham.k12.nc.us/mediawiki/index.php/Policy_6321
Student Assignment to Buses http://policy.chatham.k12.nc.us/mediawiki/index.php/Policy_6322

State rules from presentation at 10/5/2009 board mtg http://www.chatham.k12.nc.us/board/meetings/2009-2010/10_05_09_boemtg/Agenda%20Form-Overview%20of%20District%20Transportation%20Process.pdf
“A route may not deviate from a general path of direction for a distance of less than one-half mile and then return to the original path except for groups of 10 or more pupils, unescorted pupils in grades K-3 or special education pupils.”
SBE Policy #TCS-H-002, 16 NCAC 6B.004 www.ncbussafety.org/NCLaws.html
Additional time, mileage, and costs are required to provide ‘door-to-door’ service for students that are otherwise able to walk a short distance to a bus stop. Deviating from an often wider, less constrictive main road to enter a subdivision or trailer park where the streets are often more narrow
and may feature curbside parking adds potential safety issues as well as additional mileage and time. Often it is not possible to avoid entering subdivisions, but proper placement of ‘area’ stops can reduce the amount of starting and stopping that occurs and may also reduce the amount of travel required within these areas.

“Unless safety factors require otherwise, superintendents may not plan bus stops closer together than 0.2 miles. Each student must be at the designated stop at the time of the bus's arrival.”
SBE Policy #TCS-H-002, 16 NCAC 6B.004 www.ncbussafety.org/NCLaws.html
Starting and stopping a bus in distances this close together is inefficient not only in fuel consumption but also in time.

A local board of education which elects to operate a school bus transportation system, shall not be required to provide transportation for any school employee, nor shall such board be required to provide transportation for any pupil living within one and one half miles of the school in which such pupil is enrolled.
§ 115C-242 (4) www.ncbussafety.org (Public School Laws Governing School Transportation)
. . . . . . .Each public school bus shall be routed so that the bus passes within one mile of the residence of each pupil assigned to that bus. A pupil who lives one and one-half miles or more from the school to which the pupil is assigned shall be eligible for school bus transportation.
§ 115C-246 (b) www.ncbussafety.org (Public School Laws Governing School Transportation)
These laws are often waived for a variety of valid reasons. Safety factors within the 1.5 mile radius is the main concern. Lack of sidewalks with no alternative walk paths is most often cited. Hazardous streets, railroad tracks, physical barriers like rivers/large streams, and bridges without a
safe walk path are other examples. Walk zones should be carefully examined and implemented where reasonable. Requiring students to walk or bike to school when there are legitimate safety issues, defeats the purpose of the enhanced safety afforded by the school bus. Costs for
transporting these students would not be as extreme since a large number of buses probably travel these areas already. However, stops in these areas should be consolidated in a safe manner, and located for easy bus access, just as mentioned previously.
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