building a nation of know-nothings

[NC YIPPIE]

Really? How about his faithfulness to his wife, unlike the GOP candidate in the last presidential election. Isn't that a Christian value shown by action? Who are you to judge him as a Christian anyway? Maybe you don't think that's what you are doing, but it sure sounds like it. So what are your formative years anyway? Are they 1-6 or 6-10 or 10-17?

Nobody's spreading misinformation 1911a? That's just comical. 

[1911A]

No.  As amusing as you think it is, no.

The dead-media is spinning the "ain't they ridiculous that these rubes believe Duh Wun the muslim" when the majority of reason for such belief is his books, his speech and his actions.

Call that misinformation and I'll concede that perhaps there is some point to his obfuscation of the issue - as with others surrounding his life - otherwise there's no point to arguing the obvious.

eta:  I care not what he is, despite what he says he is, as far as his religious beliefs go; I care that he's an America-hating liar.

[mary51802]

When you think about it he may not be anything. He may not be officially stating it because he could have just attached himself to some preachers for the election. He has not been seen going to a church and he said he did not like to because he attracts a crowd. All past presidents did though.

He may just be an atheist and just does not be admitting it.

[John Florida]

When you think about it he may not be anything. He may not be officially stating it because he could have just attached himself to some preachers for the election. He has not been seen going to a church and he said he did not like to because he attracts a crowd. All past presidents did though.

He may just be an atheist and just does not be admitting it.

 Mary 20 years with Rev,Wrong's church and now he's am athiest?I don't know about that. But What was he before the joined Wright? he's in his 40's and wright brought him to(ahem)Christianity so what was he before that??

[mary51802]

When you think about it he may not be anything. He may not be officially stating it because he could have just attached himself to some preachers for the election. He has not been seen going to a church and he said he did not like to because he attracts a crowd. All past presidents did though.

He may just be an atheist and just does not be admitting it.

 Mary 20 years with Rev,Wrong's church and now he's am athiest?I don't know about that. But What was he before the joined Wright? he's in his 40's and wright brought him to(ahem)Christianity so what was he before that??

I I know and Rev Wrong  was a controversial guy when I lived there, but I am just thinking he may have been dabbling or doing it for show. He may be nothing now, who knows. I mean I do not care what he is that is personal but he should have and could have been forthcoming in the interview instead of dancing around the issue and giving a totally different subject answer like about his birth certificate.

[John Florida]

When you think about it he may not be anything. He may not be officially stating it because he could have just attached himself to some preachers for the election. He has not been seen going to a church and he said he did not like to because he attracts a crowd. All past presidents did though.

He may just be an atheist and just does not be admitting it.

 Mary 20 years with Rev,Wrong's church and now he's am athiest?I don't know about that. But What was he before the joined Wright? he's in his 40's and wright brought him to(ahem)Christianity so what was he before that??

I I know and Rev Wrong  was a controversial guy when I lived there, but I am just thinking he may have been dabbling or doing it for show. He may be nothing now, who knows. I mean I do not care what he is that is personal but he should have and could have been forthcoming in the interview instead of dancing around the issue and giving a totally different subject answer like about his birth certificate.

 So he shouldn't be upset when people think what they think.

[mary51802]

He did not act upset just annoyed and like he did not want to waste the time clarifying it.

[NC YIPPIE]

Funny, I guess making things up is now simply 'obfuscation of the issue,' right?

Probable US Presidential Candidate , Barack Hussein Obama was enrolled in a Wahabi school in Jakarta. Wahabism.  Also , keep in mind that when he was sworn into office as a member of the Illinois legislature he DID NOT  use the Holy Bible ,  but instead the Kuran.
http://www.youchoose.net/campaign/wahabism_radical_teachings_of_muslim_terrorists

The media has let Barrack Obama pull another fast one without so much as a “by your leave sir”.  Barrack Obama purposely messed up his official swearing in on Tuesday in front of millions of people watching worldwide because the oath then was given on the Lincoln Bible.  His motive was pure and simple.  Once out of the media spotlight, he could finally get sworn in, the way he wanted to—on the Koran.
http://thatsrightnate.com/2009/01/22/obama-recites-presidential-oath-on-koran/

And which suras was Obama studying? How about the many suras that preach deception and killing of Infidels? It’s doubtful that the school didn’t teach those. It’s more likely that they did.
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/2932/obamas-debunking-of-islamic-background-raises-more-questions/

Martin says Obama may be a threat to the Jewish community because he is a closet Muslim.
http://www.usvetdsp.com/dec06/obama_muslim.htm

[chrstnhsbndfthr]

One of the problems with his lack of clarity is that people speculate and investigate, and some even jump to conclusions.

He could have (And I think he would have IF he was a real man of faith) been clear and forthright from the beginning. Blaming people for noticing he is inconsistent and hedging is sort of silly.

[1911A]

Funny, I guess making things up is now simply 'obfuscation of the issue,' right?

Why do you insist on this nonsense method of debate?  I wrote "his obfuscation", which is not the same as "making things up".

Probable US Presidential Candidate , Barack Hussein Obama was enrolled in a Wahabi school in Jakarta. Wahabism.  Also , keep in mind that when he was sworn into office as a member of the Illinois legislature he DID NOT  use the Holy Bible ,  but instead the Kuran.
http://www.youchoose.net/campaign/wahabism_radical_teachings_of_muslim_terrorists

The media has let Barrack Obama pull another fast one without so much as a “by your leave sir”.  Barrack Obama purposely messed up his official swearing in on Tuesday in front of millions of people watching worldwide because the oath then was given on the Lincoln Bible.  His motive was pure and simple.  Once out of the media spotlight, he could finally get sworn in, the way he wanted to—on the Koran.
http://thatsrightnate.com/2009/01/22/obama-recites-presidential-oath-on-koran/

And which suras was Obama studying? How about the many suras that preach deception and killing of Infidels? It’s doubtful that the school didn’t teach those. It’s more likely that they did.
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/2932/obamas-debunking-of-islamic-background-raises-more-questions/

Martin says Obama may be a threat to the Jewish community because he is a closet Muslim.
http://www.usvetdsp.com/dec06/obama_muslim.htm

Okay, ya got me.     There are Alex Jones-types making cr*p up.  Except, I don't know these sites and these people save for Schlussel, who's stability is questionable, but they seem pretty "in the weeds" to me, as in, I doubt the majority of the people who question Duh Wun's veracity on this issue have been exposed to their fantasies.

There's no need; there is enough evidence, provided by the guy himself, as I already wrote to doubt what he says.

That's my point, it's been my only point; I made it and now there's no point in continuing this.

[mary51802]

Again here we go, not an actual news site but a spin doctor site. I am from Chicago and closely watch the news and get the paper from there and I have never seen this story. Yes he went to a Muslim school as a child ( a parents decision) but being sworn in on a Quran (proper spelling) has never been documented by an actual news source, photograph, or stated by an actual witness to a legitimate news source ( AP UP etc)

If this was fact this would have exploded out long ago.

[1911A]

Uh hunh, because "the actual news sites" never spin.  Or omit.  Or obfuscate.

[NoSoup4U]

Uh hunh, because "the actual news sites" never spin.  Or omit.  Or obfuscate.

Dan Rather... CBS News

[chrstnhsbndfthr]

Are there really proper spellings to words that are from foreign languages?  I recall the dictator of Libya being spelled multiple ways in papers and I have often seen "Koran" used. Not sure who establishes what is proper from foreign languages. I had assumed it was settled over long usage.
<BTW< I am not trying to argue just for argument sake, I just really do not know. We have several teachers who read the BBS, perhaps one would comment?

Just for example sake:

<#
Qur'an - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Navid Kermani, Das ästhetische Erleben des Koran. ... VII, p.677; ^ On pre-Islamic Christian strophic poetical texts in the Koran, Ibn Rawandi, ...
Translations - Qur'an reading - Qur'an and Sunnah - Science
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qur'an - Cached - Similar
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The Koran
Jan 7, 2000 ... Browse the Koran: Select individual chapters. About the Koran. This is an electronic version of The Holy Qur'an, translated by M.H. Shakir ...
hti.umich.edu/k/koran/ - Cached
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The Koran -- Browse
Jan 12, 2000 ... The Koran. Browse. The Opening · The Cow · The Family of Imran · The Women · The Dinner Table · The Cattle · The Elevated Places ...
quod.lib.umich.edu/k/koran/browse.html - Cached - Similar
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News for koran

#    The Man Behind the "Ground Zero" Mosque‎ - 20 hours ago
However, the Koran is full of them: "I will cast terror into the heart ... Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" - Koran, ...
CBS News - 770 related articles »
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International Protests Begin Ahead of Sept. 11 Koran Burning Event ...‎ - FOXNews - 51 related articles »>

[mary51802]

Are there really proper spellings to words that are from foreign languages?  I recall the dictator of Libya being spelled multiple ways in papers and I have often seen "Koran" used. Not sure who establishes what is proper from foreign languages. I had assumed it was settled over long usage.
<BTW< I am not trying to argue just for argument sake, I just really do not know. We have several teachers who read the BBS, perhaps one would comment?

Just for example sake:

<#
Qur'an - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Navid Kermani, Das ästhetische Erleben des Koran. ... VII, p.677; ^ On pre-Islamic Christian strophic poetical texts in the Koran, Ibn Rawandi, ...
Translations - Qur'an reading - Qur'an and Sunnah - Science
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qur'an - Cached - Similar
#
The Koran
Jan 7, 2000 ... Browse the Koran: Select individual chapters. About the Koran. This is an electronic version of The Holy Qur'an, translated by M.H. Shakir ...
hti.umich.edu/k/koran/ - Cached
#
The Koran -- Browse
Jan 12, 2000 ... The Koran. Browse. The Opening · The Cow · The Family of Imran · The Women · The Dinner Table · The Cattle · The Elevated Places ...
quod.lib.umich.edu/k/koran/browse.html - Cached - Similar
#
News for koran

#    The Man Behind the "Ground Zero" Mosque‎ - 20 hours ago
However, the Koran is full of them: "I will cast terror into the heart ... Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" - Koran, ...
CBS News - 770 related articles »
#
International Protests Begin Ahead of Sept. 11 Koran Burning Event ...‎ - FOXNews - 51 related articles »>

I have seen it mostly on Arabia TV as Quran and on Al Jazeera TV. I have seein it as Kuoran in a British newspaper. I assumed the middle east had it right.

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