Tea Party Meetings in Chatham County

[Regulator]

Does anyone know of any Tea Party Meetings coming up in Chatham County - I am feeling a little Treasonous-

Taxation without representation is tyranny- James Otis

[snowcamper]

Be careful with the "treasonous" adjective... that's not something we really want to wear, nor did the original founding fathers.

From Wikipedia:
Ultimately, the states collectively determined that the British monarchy, by acts of tyranny, could no longer legitimately claim their allegiance.

Rebellion might be more appropriate.

After all, the reasons for such included the Intolerable Acts:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intolerable_Acts

The Boston Port Act, the first of the acts passed in response to the Boston Tea Party, closed the port of Boston until the East India Company had been repaid for the destroyed tea and until the king was satisfied that order had been restored. Colonists objected that the Port Act punished all of Boston rather than just the individuals who had destroyed the tea, and that they were being punished without having been given an opportunity to testify in their own defense.

An awful lot like the offshore drilling ban...

The Massachusetts Government Act provoked even more outrage than the Port Act because it unilaterally altered the government of Massachusetts to bring it under control of the British government. Under the terms of the Government Act, almost all positions in the colonial government were to be appointed by the governor or the king. The act also severely limited the activities of town meetings in Massachusetts. Colonists outside Massachusetts feared that their governments could now also be changed by the legislative fiat of Parliament.

Awful lot like healthcare mandates...

The Administration of Justice Act allowed the governor to move trials of accused royal officials to another colony or even to Great Britain if he believed the official could not get a fair trial in Massachusetts.
Awful lot like dropping a Black Panther case with no resolution for the affected parties....

Many colonists saw the Coercive Acts as a violation of their constitutional rights, their natural rights, and their colonial charters. They therefore viewed the acts as a threat to the liberties of all of British America, not just Massachusetts. Richard Henry Lee of Virginia, for example, described the acts as "a most wicked System for destroying the liberty of America".[7]


History never repeats itself word for word, but it rhymes....

[Regulator]

Agreed- and all of the issues you bring up Snowcamper are being funded " along with wonderful - private plane(Air Force One)  vacations- by the American Tax payer. The same taxpayer struggling to keep thier jobs-competing with foreign slave labor. It is time for rebellion. 

[RJLeeb]

Someone that read this thread that knows me in real life called my house and begged me to respond to it.

So here I am, being dragged out of my all-consuming project that, quite frankly I don't know if I'll have time to finish, to try to set this straight.  Again.

Ok, so it was a nap.  And a glorious one at that.  But still.

First and foremost: the Tea Party isn't about "treason" nor is it about "revolution".  It is about mobilizing people to act within the system we have now to effect change, i.e. getting out the vote and changing our representation.  This is not "a refusal of obedience or order", which is the accepted definition of rebellion. 

We are working within the confines of our current system.

Please note that this is not meant to be critical of Snowcamper or Regulator.  The left would like nothing better than to put such labels as "treasonous" and "rebellion" on us to instill the perception that our way of thinking (good stewardship of taxpayer dollars, small efficient government) is somehow radical or outside the norm.  The opposite is true, and it is those that would cede more and more power to government based on some fuzzy headed pursuit of "fairness" of outcomes rather than opportunity, that is in fact radical and contrary to the principles of individual freedom upon which our nation was founded.

[Regulator]

Unfortunately voting doesn't seem to change much. Different name-same rascals in Washington. It is as if somehow supporting the same carpet baggers is going to net a different result. The current Animal House in Washington has veered so far from the Constitution that the tennets that are represented in its words are merely historical references to the past. With every congressional session a new General Howe is welcomed. 

Upon General Howe's arrival to New York in 1776, a loyalist wrote this about him:
"He comes, he comes, the Hero comes,
Sound, sound your trumpets, beat your drums.
From port to port let cannon roar
Howe's welcome to this Western shore"

Change

[John Florida]

Someone that read this thread that knows me in real life called my house and begged me to respond to it.

So here I am, being dragged out of my all-consuming project that, quite frankly I don't know if I'll have time to finish, to try to set this straight.  Again.

Ok, so it was a nap.  And a glorious one at that.  But still.

First and foremost: the Tea Party isn't about "treason" nor is it about "revolution".  It is about mobilizing people to act within the system we have now to effect change, i.e. getting out the vote and changing our representation.  This is not "a refusal of obedience or order", which is the accepted definition of rebellion. 

We are working within the confines of our current system.

Please note that this is not meant to be critical of Snowcamper or Regulator.  The left would like nothing better than to put such labels as "treasonous" and "rebellion" on us to instill the perception that our way of thinking (good stewardship of taxpayer dollars, small efficient government) is somehow radical or outside the norm.  The opposite is true, and it is those that would cede more and more power to government based on some fuzzy headed pursuit of "fairness" of outcomes rather than opportunity, that is in fact radical and contrary to the principles of individual freedom upon which our nation was founded.

 Nice to see you up!

[snowcamper]

Thank you Leeb... good to hear from you again.

I probably should have put "rebellious spirit", instead of rebellion.  The colonists themselves acted within the legal framework of the time.


Per the "intolerable acts" wikipedia entry cited above:

Many colonists viewed the acts as an arbitrary violation of their rights, and in 1774 they organized the First Continental Congress to coordinate a protest.
Coordinating a protest is hardly "rebellion".  It's more like the Glen Beck thing.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_revolution

American political opposition was initially through the colonial assemblies such as the Stamp Act Congress, which included representatives from across the colonies.

There were also countless Petitions to King George III for "redress of grievances".

Real Rebellion, or Revolution is hardly necessary in our current situtation.  No one has dissolved Congress, the State Governments, or any other local governmental entity.  We're not quartering troops, we have no foreign mercenaries brought in to keep order. 

Conservatives haven't even entered the civil disobedience phase so popular with Liberals, though one must wonder if they would be cheered for doing so...

I think most conservatives live in the rational, legal world, unlike so many of those on the other side.  The very idea of civil disobedience, let alone any form of violence, is an anathema to them.  I stand with that category.

Extreme talk about real "revolution" or "rebellion" can only hurt the cause of liberty by encouraging those on the fringe to act outside the sytem, well before such acts have become remotely necessary.  We haven't even had another election yet...  Having a "rebel spirit" is one thing... we have a lot of other avenues to explore before we get to a Lexington and Concord.

[Gene Galin]

Since this thread has turned into a general Tea Party topic it is being moved.

[Regulator]

When Valor preys on reason, it eats the sword it fights with-Shakespeare

[wolfpat]

Someone that read this thread that knows me in real life called my house and begged me to respond to it.

So here I am, being dragged out of my all-consuming project that, quite frankly I don't know if I'll have time to finish, to try to set this straight.  Again.

Ok, so it was a nap.  And a glorious one at that.  But still.

First and foremost: the Tea Party isn't about "treason" nor is it about "revolution".  It is about mobilizing people to act within the system we have now to effect change, i.e. getting out the vote and changing our representation.  This is not "a refusal of obedience or order", which is the accepted definition of rebellion. 

We are working within the confines of our current system.

Please note that this is not meant to be critical of Snowcamper or Regulator.  The left would like nothing better than to put such labels as "treasonous" and "rebellion" on us to instill the perception that our way of thinking (good stewardship of taxpayer dollars, small efficient government) is somehow radical or outside the norm.  The opposite is true, and it is those that would cede more and more power to government based on some fuzzy headed pursuit of "fairness" of outcomes rather than opportunity, that is in fact radical and contrary to the principles of individual freedom upon which our nation was founded.

I would add that one of the oft stated goals of the Tea Party movement is to get our government to adhere to the Constitution. That's far from true rebellion.

[djkelly]

Unfortunately voting doesn't seem to change much. Different name-same rascals in Washington. It is as if somehow supporting the same carpet baggers is going to net a different result. The current Animal House in Washington has veered so far from the Constitution that the tennets that are represented in its words are merely historical references to the past. With every congressional session a new General Howe is welcomed. 

Upon General Howe's arrival to New York in 1776, a loyalist wrote this about him:
"He comes, he comes, the Hero comes,
Sound, sound your trumpets, beat your drums.
From port to port let cannon roar
Howe's welcome to this Western shore"

Change

It’s nice to see loyalist quotes.  I used to belong to a Loyalist Revolutionary War Reenacting unit.  It was interesting reading historical accounts of the revolution and trying to look at it from a Loyalist perspective.  Challenging but I gained a better understanding of history by doing it.

However, when I hear someone say that voting doesn’t seem to change much I have to ask them what have they done besides vote?  Voting is the least of our responsibilities.  People talk a lot about rights but they forget that there are responsibilities that go along with them.  I’ve been guilty of doing the least I could until recently but now I realize how important it is to be better informed.

How can we expect to get better candidates if we don’t get involved and support them?  If the only money and support is coming from special interests why do we expect anything different out of our representatives?  They’re still human and respond to the same influences as the rest of us.  There are many ways to get more involved: following a specific level of government, be it local, state or federal; get involved with a candidate’s campaign so you really get to know them and they get to know you; advocate for a particular issue; question your representatives and the media when something doesn’t sound right; or just be generally more aware and ask questions.

Here’s a link to the Independence Caucus, a group which has an approach that does allow individual citizens to make a difference and elect candidates that answer to them instead of the special interests.  It’s not perfect, no group is, but it has a lot of good information and ideas.
http://www.icaucus.org/

We’re not going to change anything overnight and we won’t change the system without changing ourselves.  It’s our own fault that things have reached this point because we’ve trusted to the system without supporting it.  People are finally waking up but hopefully they’ll stay engaged this time.

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