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Author Topic: CHN - Kinnaird pushes Costco for county  (Read 1398 times)
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« Reply #15 on: September 02, 2010, 03:01:42 PM »

If they build it they will shop it!
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« Reply #16 on: September 02, 2010, 03:18:36 PM »

But the Washington-state based company said several years ago that the plaza on N.C. 54 is too far from a major interstate and does not have enough homes nearby make a store work.

If that cluster of people Carrboro, Chapel Hill, UNC. isn't enough people to suit them, Chatham surely isn't going to rate with them, IMO.

The plaza isn't the best choice because once you head west past that Plaza there is not much density there.

The spot on the border of Chatham and Orange County on 15-501 would draw traffic from both sides. Plus once Smith Level Road is widened it makes it easier to have Carrboro people come in.

You know it would drive the Chapel Hill leaders batty  angel
Just a short jump from 54 over to old 86, nothing BUT housing developments from Carrboro to Hillsborough.
Would be more likely IF Costco was interested, it would be at the I-40 INTERSTATE corridor site mentioned in the article, in Orange Co. or up around Hillsborough/Mebane. (Which may have one...dunno, never go up that direction anymore).
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« Reply #17 on: September 02, 2010, 03:27:06 PM »

But the Washington-state based company said several years ago that the plaza on N.C. 54 is too far from a major interstate and does not have enough homes nearby make a store work.

If that cluster of people Carrboro, Chapel Hill, UNC. isn't enough people to suit them, Chatham surely isn't going to rate with them, IMO.

It's probably the break-even point/profit that's at issue.  As an example, Sam's Club off Weston Blvd. in Cary closed fairly recently.
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« Reply #18 on: September 02, 2010, 04:48:13 PM »

But the Washington-state based company said several years ago that the plaza on N.C. 54 is too far from a major interstate and does not have enough homes nearby make a store work.

If that cluster of people Carrboro, Chapel Hill, UNC. isn't enough people to suit them, Chatham surely isn't going to rate with them, IMO.

It's probably the break-even point/profit that's at issue.  As an example, Sam's Club off Weston Blvd. in Cary closed fairly recently.

I think Silk Hope is correct, if that mega mess of shopping strips in Burlington hasn't lured them, not a snowball's chance in this summer's heat that PBO will Wink
At best, the Mebane area where the Tanager Outlet is being built may be attractive to them, for discounter hunters...if there is any land left?
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« Reply #19 on: September 02, 2010, 04:52:11 PM »

Ugh-Costco in Durham in nasssssss-teee!

And yes, there is one Phydeaux in Chapel Hill.  Tis the one that was in Carrboro.
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« Reply #20 on: September 02, 2010, 04:58:55 PM »

Ugh-Costco in Durham in nasssssss-teee!

And yes, there is one Phydeaux in Chapel Hill.  Tis the one that was in Carrboro.

I don't even know where Costco Durham is Becky. I quit doing Durham direction years ago. Reset my compass!
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« Reply #21 on: September 03, 2010, 08:54:02 AM »

We go to BJs near the airport (and sometimes in Cary depending on where more errands are) and would LOVE  to see one close by!
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« Reply #22 on: September 03, 2010, 09:54:33 AM »

The other problem with that site, or getting any site approved under Chapel Hill's development process, say critics, is that it takes too long.

Most projects need at least two years to make it through the review process, plus another six months after Town Council approval to get a zoning compliance permit.

Add 12 to 18 months to construct a building, and you're looking at close to four years before a Costco could open its doors, Bassett said.


Is that the norm?  How long would it take in Wake, Durham, Alamance, Guilford, Forsyth, Mecklenburg, etc??

2 years of planning boards and meetings, seems excessive to me.  Not only is that 2 years of time, but that's also 2 years of expenses, drawing up plans, meeting with the various central planners boards, changing to meet their needs whims, and usually when you make one change to please one board that impacts another board and another change has to be made.  I realize a lot of people want "local" businesses but what they usually fail to realize is, all these requirements and boards and meetings and steps make it harder on the little guy and the large box stores are the only ones with the resources to go through this process.


Kinnaird said the time to talk has run out.

"You don't just hang back," she said. "This is why I get so frustrated. ... Where is the empathy for people who don't have jobs? I represent people who live in trailer parks who can't pay their heating bill."

"They need to start with Costco right now."

That's the problem with the central planning mentality.  I understand the attempt to control the market and build a utopia, but it's not possible, not in the real world anyway.  No matter how smart any one person or group of people are and no matter how hard that steering committee tries to design perfection it's not going to happen.  Orange County is a prime example of that.  Sure, I guess it's a nice place to live, if you can afford it.  Ironically the same people that claim to be looking out for the little guy are generally working against the little guy.  I doubt they are consioucsly trying to harm the little guy, but the unintended consquences of planning and manipulating the market eventually harm the little guy due to his/her reduced resources. 

One of John Stossell's shows earlier this year was based on a series of articles by Reason magazine regarding how to save Cleveland.  Drew Carey and Reason magazine had a great series about how the end result of over aggressive central planning turned Cleveland from a booming sucessful city to "the mistake on the lake".  IMO, if we take UNC and the hospital out of Orange County we would see the same results in Orange County. 

Chatham County is a wonderful county, i've lived here all my life and hope to stay here for the remainder of my life.  No, I don't want a strip mall on every corner, no I don't want every tree knocked down for a development, but at the same time we can't follow the path Orange County has chosen and choke the life out of the business community.  We can if we desire, but the result of that will be high cost of living, high property taxes, fewer local opportunities to work and shop.  I'm here and to paraphrase a former poster "I can afford it" but can our kids afford it?  Can those not as fortunate and lucky as a lot of us have been, afford it?



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« Reply #23 on: September 03, 2010, 10:56:11 AM »

Amen, srvfan, I agree with everything you said.
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