Brewer's Debate Stumble Triggers Cringes in Arizona

[NC YIPPIE]

It will go down as one of the most painful openings to a political debate in recent memory.

Gov. Jan Brewer stumbled and stammered through her opening statement during a televised debate Wednesday night, suffering through an embarrassing, cringe-eliciting pause that lasted more than 10 seconds.

With her hands clasped in front of her, she looked at the camera, then down, possibly at notes, and back up at the camera. She smiled, let out a loud exhale, then resumed her statement with a pronouncement of her record as governor.

"We have, uh, did what was right for Arizona," Brewer said, using a grammatical misconstruction she uttered twice during the debate.

Then, she bolted from a post-debate question-and-answer session with reporters after refusing to respond to queries about a past statement about bodies supposedly found beheaded in the Arizona desert.

http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/US-Arizona-Governor-Debate/2010/09/02/id/369119

[NC YIPPIE]

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[John Florida]

Certainly not a stellar moment. But we'll see what the election brings.

[mike_thomsss]

I can't figure out if she has a medical issue or just really isn't very bright. Either way, a think the 18 point lead will start shrinking unless she has the people of AZ so scared about the horrors of illegals running around kidnapping and beheading the lawful citizens of the state they vote for her out of fear.
Press conference afterwards was an embarassment. Talking points and then running away. Love the press corps collective groan and "C'Mon!" at the end.

[NC YIPPIE]

I think the media has overblown this a bit. However, I did hear some conservatives call for her resignation should anyone produce an actual quote of her saying the thing about beheadings. I'm guessing many will try and play it off now that the quote has been documented and she has said she "misspoke."

[mike_thomsss]

I think the media has overblown this a bit. However, I did hear some conservatives call for her resignation should anyone produce an actual quote of her saying the thing about beheadings. I'm guessing many will try and play it off now that the quote has been documented and she has said she "misspoke."

She sounds pretty confident for misspeaking:

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[NC YIPPIE]

Yes, and do you notice the lack of folks on the far right condemning her for lying? It's not like folks on the left don't lie as well, but either side should certainly be held accountable. "Misspoke" is often used today in place of "lied," like Blumenthal up in CT.

Moral crusaders against lying?

<<<< crickets >>>>>

[RJLeeb]

Yes, and do you notice the lack of folks on the far right condemning her for lying? It's not like folks on the left don't lie as well, but either side should certainly be held accountable. "Misspoke" is often used today in place of "lied," like Blumenthal up in CT.

Moral crusaders against lying?

<<<< crickets >>>>>

If you're going to play the "crickets" thing, why not play it against both sides?  Oh I see, you've got that little statement about both sides lying.    I'd simply add that both sides always have the tendency to ignore the lies told by those they agree with.  

And then some others go further, and keep repeating the lies after they know better.  One example comes to mind: Bush supposedly said the Constitution was "just a piece of paper".

How many threads have I started here that only had righties respond and were ignored by the left?  I'm sure I remember a few.

We all know two wrongs don't make a right.  And though I'm a poor example of a moral crusader (too much of a libertarian I guess) I think what Brewer did was not only morally wrong....it undermines what she's trying to accomplish.  Why politicians seem to think lying is going to work out for them I'll never know.  It always seems that it catches up with them sooner or later.  Though, I will say that it doesn't catch up quickly enough in some cases, and in other cases, the constituents often vote them right back in.

There are a lot of good arguments Brewer could make and has made.  There's no reason to make things up, and those that agree with her are likely frustrated.

This isn't the only thing Brewer has fibbed about.  There's that whole thing about her father dying in WWII when he actually died 10 years later.

Why is it so hard to find a politician that will tell the truth?  Maybe if we had term limits there wouldn't be so much incentive for them to take a "do anything it takes to stay in office" approach.

[NC YIPPIE]

I posted that Eddie Bernice Johnson should resign for lying. I don't have any problem calling folks out who screw up. But funny, I don't remember anyone here on the right posting the same thought for Brewer? Moral relativism and all I guess. 

Funny how its suddenly a 'little statement' when I say it, yet so many on here simply refuse to criticize anyone on the right, unless they think they are not being conservative enough. You and a few others take a few shots at Bush now and then sure, but take a look at this thread and you will quickly notice who is missing.

[beinginferior]

Is she running for office in NC?

Newflash:  This just in.  I don't care.  I DO however care for friends who were denied their obligated pay raises here in the county.  Let the people of Arizona deal with her.  I would rather address OUR problems. 

Just my two cents,  so as not to be accused of being absent. 

[mary51802]

That is why I did not call for it. I do not care. If Bev did it I would say GO. But it Arizonas problem. If she lied and I lived there I would call for it.

[natvrabit]

I'm sort of smelling a little bit of deflect when the effect (sensationalism) failed here myself. Maybe she can get on the former Governor's BOOK BUS with Sarah

[NC YIPPIE]

Ah, folks, that's why this is in the This & That thread.   

[chrstnhsbndfthr]

You really have issues of understanding lately Yippie.

A lie is an exactly defined happening. It requires intent for one. It is not simply a factual error. I myself have made factual errors, totally believing what I had said to be true.  Does that make me a liar?  Does a child who believes in Santa lie when she says what she believes?  Does she intend to deceive?
Certainly the Congresswoman who stole funds for her friends did lie and you were right to condemn that.  But attacking Governor Brewer for confusing a couple of facts as a liar is ridiculous and not comparable. First, she has no benefit derived from the error. Second, there HAVE been beheadings they are not in her jurisdiction yet, but it is easy for any honest person to see how these things could be conflated in one's mind.  The truth of the whole issue is there, but the extreme leftist fanatics have pulled one thread to try to claim that she is lying about the issue.  Nonsense. It is getting harder and harder to take you seriously, Yip. This entire thread was so ridiculous that I have managed to ignore it up to now and will return to ignoring it as the deception it is. She is up by 12 to 20 points among the people most in touch with what Arizona is going through. Perhaps they know more about the issue than you do?

[mike_thomsss]

...First, she has no benefit derived from the error....

This may not necessarily be the case. Her campaign manager is also a lobbyist for a private prison company, CCA. From the CBS affiliate investigating this:
"    The private prison industry houses illegal immigrant detainees for the federal government. Those companies could gain contracts with state and local agencies to house illegal immigrants arrested for state violations.
Corrections Corporation of America, or CCA, holds the federal contract to house detainees in Arizona. The company bills $11 million per month."
Now let me be clear that there is no evidence whatsoever that she has made one cent since signing this bill, but were the shoe on the left foot here, I think it'd be safe to say there'd be a list of regular commentators screaming for a resignation. At any rate, having policy advisors in the role as prison lobbyists seems either a stupid move or a clear violation of interests.

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