Who is Chatham County Coalition for Home Ownership?

[integrityticket]

I got the call on my CELL PHONE!!!!!!  Made me madder a wet hen!

Hey wet hen -

Here's a real simple solution - Do NOT provide your cellphone # as your contact # on your voter registration.

[Keith_Brown]

I am open-minded enough to listen to facts and data

Please, was there every ANY possible hope that you might have been swayed regardless of what anyone might say?

The contrived open-mindedness rings hollow.

  Are you calling me a liar? 

[integrityticket]

There is...don't call them in the first place.

This is not unique to any political group. They all do it because despite the dissatisfaction of a few it works on getting the word out.

[integrityticket]

  Are you calling me a liar? 

The contrived indignation rings hollow.

[Keith_Brown]

  Are you calling me a liar? 

The contrived indignation rings hollow.

  And your contrived integrity rings even hollower.   My honesty is not a political matter; you have taken this beyond politics into the personal. I have nothing further to say to you.

[Big Mo]

  ... I haven't voted yet, and I am open-minded enough to listen to facts and data, but I expect them to be delivered in an open and aboveboard manner. 

Keith:

If you want to listen to facts and data that were not dealt with at the Commissioners' five mtgs, come out to Haley Bales in Siler City Wed evening Oct 17 at 7 pm to the Community Forum being sponsored by five organizations against the transfer tax.   

Come early, and I will buy you a ... whatever they sell there!     

[Keith_Brown]

  ... I haven't voted yet, and I am open-minded enough to listen to facts and data, but I expect them to be delivered in an open and aboveboard manner. 

Keith:

If you want to listen to facts and data that were not dealt with at the Commissioners' five mtgs, come out to Haley Bales in Siler City Wed evening Oct 17 at 7 pm to the Community Forum being sponsored by five organizations against the transfer tax.   

Come early, and I will buy you a ... whatever they sell there!     

  Are any of those organizations the Chatham Coalition for Home Ownership?

[chathambooks]

Yes - it's really an umbrella coalition of existing organizations.

[Keith_Brown]

Yes - it's really an umbrella coalition of existing organizations.

   Then Mo, I'll have to pass on your very kind offer.  I was pushpolled in 2002, and labeled a liar and fool for speaking up about anonymous telephone politicking.  My honesty has been questioned again because of a group engaging in telephone politicking while using an identity that I find troubling, if not deceptive.  Under the circumstances, there is nothing that this "coalition" could say that I would accept; if they had been chosen "association" or "organization" or most any other collective term, they might have some measure of credibility with me.  Not now.

[bobsyouruncle]

As much as the Chatham Coalition has been criticized, I don't really believe that this group would want to risk being confused for that group unless it wanted to be confused for that group.

[chrstnhsbndfthr]

There is a certain absurdity to claiming that the descriptive word COALITION is not usuable by other groups.  It is CLEARLY not the group we think of as the coalition, since that group is very anti property rights.  This is clearly a pro-property rights group.  Who would be fooled?  Is your position really that members of the coalition are so ignorant and easily swayed as to be fooled into voting some way or another because the word coalition is used?  I find it interesting what people really think about their own coalition supporters, but even though I am usually on the opposite side of the fence, I cannot believe they are that stupid.

[Keith_Brown]

There is a certain absurdity to claiming that the descriptive word COALITION is not usuable by other groups.  It is CLEARLY not the group we think of as the coalition, since that group is very anti property rights.  This is clearly a pro-property rights group.  Who would be fooled?  Is your position really that members of the coalition are so ignorant and easily swayed as to be fooled into voting some way or another because the word coalition is used?  I find it interesting what people really think about their own coalition supporters, but even though I am usually on the opposite side of the fence, I cannot believe they are that stupid.

  There is also a certain absurdity to claiming that the word "Coalition" is merely descriptive in 2007 Chatham politics.  I don't think any members of the real Chatham Coalition will be deceived by these telephone ads; not being a member, I'm not privy to their communication lines, but I suspect there is some sort of newsletter that will have already laid out their position on this issue.  The CCHO's choice of name serves to muddy the waters and does them no credit.

[chrstnhsbndfthr]

Is the grouping of various groups working to protect Chatham county's home owners a coalition? Does the fact that there are other coalitions preclude anyone else from having a coalition?
Keith, I have long respected your mind, though I often disagree with you. But this is not a reasonable position. I haven't done a search but I expect there are literally thousands of various types of coalitions functioning in our country.

(I am not a member of either coalition, though my sympathies lie with home owners.)

[Keith_Brown]

Is the grouping of various groups working to protect Chatham county's home owners a coalition? Does the fact that there are other coalitions preclude anyone else from having a coalition?
Keith, I have long respected your mind, though I often disagree with you. But this is not a reasonable position. I haven't done a search but I expect there are literally thousands of various types of coalitions functioning in our country.

(I am not a member of either coalition, though my sympathies lie with home owners.)

  But there is a political group already existing in Chatham County known as the Chatham Coalition.  Any other political group that chooses a name beginning with the words "Chatham Coalition" and does not expect to be viewed as muddying the waters is deluding themselves.  If they felt so strongly that needed the word "Coalition" in their name, they could have gone with "Home Ownership Coalition of Chatham County".  The Chatham Coalition does not have a trademark on the word, but it does have prior existence, and any other groups will have to deal with that precedence.

[chrstnhsbndfthr]

Well, then we are getting down to pretty nit-picky stuff.  Now that we agree that there can be other coalitions, sure, it could have been named differently, but it does not necessarily follow that these people were attempting a deception. That requires ignorance or stupidity of people which I do not believe. I find it far more believable that people decided on what they thought would be the best name for their group and then left it right there. 

They are going up against a very powerful political machine designed to wring this money out of Chatham County citizens, and probably have little time or resources to spend quibbling over inconsequential details.

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