Chatham News/Record, 5/1/08 - Chatham Forest Delays Cause Concern to Engineer

[belle]

I have nothing in common with fool's gold, that I know of because I don't know him. as I asked you on the split ticket thread, I am only wondering why you are so fascinated in Mr. Mayor. or rather, his professional business.

where is the other entrance to Chatham Forest? I have only seen it from the Springdale entrance.

[Charles39]

Do not say Springdale around here.

The only entrance to Chatham Forest is on Thompson St.

I was just saying, since you two have a similar interest about the ABC store, you could work together and let us know what you find.

[fools gold]

Charles,

Unbelievable, no interest in perhaps a $100,000+ embezzlement.  An actual crime sent to the DA's office. We will get back to you on this story.

And par for the course, your second point is a twisted lie. Is your spine a corkscrew or just your tongue?  There has been no official proposal for any businesses by the Vollers nor any others either.

According to those involved since the beginning of Chatham Forest there had been talk of a convenience store on neighboring property back in 1998/1999-and that was a long time ago.

I believe the space is used for office use. End of story.

So maybe you and your biased sources could do real gumshoe work and figure out how to improve our TTHM problems in the Town and County or how to improve water quality in the Haw River, (hint sludge Fromm Burlington and other point source and non-point source pollution) and you could solve an actual crime and loss of tax dollars and revenue at the ABC store.

Oh I get it,  you are too busy soiling your shorts while engaging on your epic quest to rid us of the evildoers.  Who would be your "axis of evil"? Voller/Starkweather/Lucier?  Like I've said before be productive, constructive and be positive. (Quick question: Are you one of those who sins all week and atones for them for an hour on Sunday in the AM?

Depending on the perspective you have either raised or lowered small town business to a level of absurdity only a Da-Daist could appreciate.  The Tao of Charles39.  Were you an admirer of Cervantes as well? 

Keep on tilting, your argument is wilting and the ABC Store still has a bad bottom line.

[Charles39]

Charles,

Unbelievable, no interest in perhaps a $100,000+ embezzlement.  An actual crime sent to the DA's office. We will get back to you on this story.

And par for the course, your second point is a twisted lie. Is your spine a corkscrew or just your tongue?  There has been no official proposal for any businesses by the Vollers nor any others either.

According to those involved since the beginning of Chatham Forest there had been talk of a convenience store on neighboring property back in 1998/1999-and that was a long time ago.

I believe the space is used for office use. End of story.

So maybe you and your biased sources could do real gumshoe work and figure out how to improve our TTHM problems in the Town and County or how to improve water quality in the Haw River, (hint sludge Fromm Burlington and other point source and non-point source pollution) and you could solve an actual crime and loss of tax dollars and revenue at the ABC store.

Oh I get it,  you are too busy soiling your shorts while engaging on your epic quest to rid us of the evildoers.  Who would be your "axis of evil"? Voller/Starkweather/Lucier?  Like I've said before be productive, constructive and be positive. (Quick question: Are you one of those who sins all week and atones for them for an hour on Sunday in the AM?

Depending on the perspective you have either raised or lowered small town business to a level of absurdity only a Da-Daist could appreciate.  The Tao of Charles39.  Were you an admirer of Cervantes as well? 

Keep on tilting, your argument is wilting and the ABC Store still has a bad bottom line.

I did not say I was not interested, I am waiting for you two to report back.

I am aware that nothing offical has been sent to the planning department, but do you deny that Voller told the Chatham Forest HOA that was his plan?

Speaking of office space, why does Voller use a building zoned residential as office space?  Most of the other businesses in town have a different zoning requirement.

The biased, politically motivated engineers are working on the TTHM problem in Pittsboro.

[fools gold]

Charles, thanks for using conflation in your statements-it indicates you might actually believe there were WMD's in Iraq and Al Queda was there, too.

Who cares about private meetings and what absurdity is in your head it DOES NOT matter unless there is an actual record.  End of story.

As for use, you are either misinformed or ignorant of the zoning ordinance.  Grandfathered as an office under the rules of nonconforming use. (All developments have a sales office and/or sales trailer on their property during the period of sales.  Seems straightforward to me.)

Half-informed attacks show your colors.  Wouldn't it be far simpler to work on problems together? It is never too late to change your spots.

 

[Charles39]

Charles, thanks for using conflation in your statements-it indicates you might actually believe there were WMD's in Iraq and Al Queda was there, too.

Who cares about private meetings and what absurdity is in your head it DOES NOT matter unless there is an actual record.  End of story.

As for use, you are either misinformed or ignorant of the zoning ordinance.  Grandfathered as an office under the rules of nonconforming use. (All developments have a sales office and/or sales trailer on their property during the period of sales.  Seems straightforward to me.)

Half-informed attacks show your colors.  Wouldn't it be far simpler to work on problems together? It is never too late to change your spots.

 

But Voller made it clear to the HOA that the "sales office" was personal property, not even subject to the rules of the HOA.  So I am confused, is it part of Chatham Forest or not. 

I do love your "who cares" defense.  I am willing to bet that people that live in Chatham Forest care about possible businesses being established at the only entrance of Chatham Forest.

[Charles39]

You do have to see the irony in his recent claim to "green" building, well until Dan Walsh ran him off from Wilkinson Creek, and his fine for destroying the enviroment.

[mamacash]

You are one obsessed individual...poor investment of time

[belle]

so we agree that you, yourself, are only personally interested in pulling down the Vollers?

we have to go beyond just the Mayor, you have delved into so many family members it goes beyond politics of any small town, however 'lustrius. it must be the family. what did they do? achieve the American Dream?

something that perhaps offends you deeply. strange, indeed.

[legal eagle]

I just wanted to say that I think that all citizens in Pittsboro have the right (and perhaps even a civic responsibility) to express concern over environmental violations in their town.  I personally believe that there should be zero tolerance for environmental violations of any kind, and it shouldn't matter if they are caused by public or private projects.  The persons who have responsibility for these projects should be held fully accountable to the citizens of the Town that they have soiled.

If the mayor's business is responsible for environmental violations, then his business should do the right thing by the environment and set a good environmental example for the entire Town.  This is responsible leadership by example.

If others in Pittsboro have violations, then they also need to step up to the plate, accept responsibility and do the right thing for the environment. 

As my mother used to say, "just because everyone else is doing it, doesn't make it right for you to do it."  The residents of Pittsboro deserve better than having this old childhood excuse presented as the rationale for downplaying bad or irresponsible environmental behavior.  My mom never fell for it, and I am sure that the residents of Pittsboro won't either.   

Also, if there is a concern, as expressed by others in this thread, that Hydrostructures, a company retained by the Town, is politically biased in its reporting of environmental issues, then this concern should be brought to the attention of the Town's elected officials so that the action of Hydrostructures can be thoroughly reviewed. It seems to me that the town commissioners, as well as the mayor, would want to know that there are citizens who have this concern about a company who is being paid by the Town to provide objective assessments.  I do not know whether these allegations are true are false, but they have been raised, and we should let the Town elected officials know of this concern.  Is it possible to ask Mayor Voller to have this concern with Hydrostructures addressed at the next meeting?  Is that appropriate?

I respect that others on this thread and site may not agree with my opinions and/or my suggestions. I respect these differences of opinion, and ask for a cordial discourse on these issues. 

[Hardy Boy]

I find it fascinating that so many people are jumping to defend Voller, but if it was Bunkey Morgan, hell hath no fury.  People STILL comment on Bunkey.  Move on people!

[curlygirl]

I am willing to bet that people that live in Chatham Forest care about possible businesses being established at the only entrance of Chatham Forest.

But for almost 10 years a business has been in existence at the entrance of Chatham Forest. It's the Voller Real Estate Office. Residents of Chatham Forest have been passing the office for years now on their way in and out of the neighborhood. Nothing new there.

[fools gold]

Charles 39,

You always seem a step behind and full of misinformation. If you confirmed with the Vollers you would know that they still own half of Wilkinson Creek, a small development, and have supported green building.

To wit-visit Mr. Walsh's home for sale in Wilkinson Creek.  It has "green features".  You seem to derive your inspiration from Melville's "Moby Dick".

Maybe if you spent as much time providing your concerns about the other Mayoral Candidates last fall, Max Cotten and Chris Bradshaw, or delved into the upcoming county commissioner races the public would be served. As it is you are a single issue obsession.  Time to move on to greener pastures.

[Charles39]

Charles 39,

You always seem a step behind and full of misinformation. If you confirmed with the Vollers you would know that they still own half of Wilkinson Creek, a small development, and have supported green building.

To wit-visit Mr. Walsh's home for sale in Wilkinson Creek.  It has "green features".  You seem to derive your inspiration from Melville's "Moby Dick".

Maybe if you spent as much time providing your concerns about the other Mayoral Candidates last fall, Max Cotten and Chris Bradshaw, or delved into the upcoming county commissioner races the public would be served. As it is you are a single issue obsession.  Time to move on to greener pastures.

Sorry I was confused by your earlier post:

"It is funny how you change topic and attempt to find some logical inconsistency to make a point.  Research will indicate:

1. It is the Woods at WILKINSON CREEK

2. From my understanding it is a large lot (1-2 acre) development on county water.

3. It has a limited number of lots.

4. It is currently marketed by Sam Petrides of Remax

5. The homes are custom homes built by smaller, local custom builders.

6. There will be some green homes

7. The price point is $400,000 and up.  If you want a good understanding of McMansions read up on Tolls Brothers.  The loaded up, 4,000 to 8,000 square foot home on a small lot is their specialty.  Visit Brier Creek in Raleigh.  Read the article in NY Times on Toll Brothers.

8. If you are truly concerned about these issues than aim your fire at the appropriate target as opposed to your neighbor(s) and local builders."

[Charles39]

I am willing to bet that people that live in Chatham Forest care about possible businesses being established at the only entrance of Chatham Forest.

But for almost 10 years a business has been in existence at the entrance of Chatham Forest. It's the Voller Real Estate Office. Residents of Chatham Forest have been passing the office for years now on their way in and out of the neighborhood. Nothing new there.

I was talking about businesses that attract a fair number of customers and their traffic on a daily basis.

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