Who's evaluating the Human Relations Dept. and other boondogles?

[NC YIPPIE]

It says right in the article who talked to the developers to make that project happen. Unlike your opinion, with no source or any numbers, it is a fact. 

Likewise, when you start at zero (another non-fact), $23 million sounds great.

New businesses opening in town, new international companies expanding. Keep swinging and missing chicken little. 

[ncbeachbumb]

James,

I have the full copy of the report.  It says exactly what I reported in my post.  How can you sit here and say all this business is happening when we all know just the opposite is true, as evidenced in Chatham's growing unemployment rate which is about to take another huge hit.

Why can't you and your like minded friends admit that the little "save the earth experiment while creating clean high paying jobs in Chatham" has failed, miserably.  Wasn't it you who said in a post way back, when your digging and find yourself deeper in a hole, the first thing you should do is stop digging.  Good advise, you should listen to yourself more often.

Dr. Bumb

PS - Hey if Lyle can be one (Dr.) then so can I.

[NC YIPPIE]

So Uniboard is not expanding in Chatham? Interesting. 

No new business downtown either. What a shame.

No new money from tourism. Funny how nothing in the report said anything about traffic. So I guess you just made that part up to fit your conspiracy theories. So you are against taxes generated by people eating and buying gas in our county too? Strange logic.

What happened to all the jobs you said would come by building residential developments anyway?

By the way, the word you are searching for there is a-d-v-i-c-e. 

[snowcamper]

How does one measure tourism dollars anyway?  How much of that revenue might be the result of the increased population drawn here by residential development?  How much of that "tourism" is made up of greens fees at all of our shiny new golf courses and new residents buying pottery for their new houses?  More gas for their cars?  And eating at all of the new restaurants that have opened recently?

I've eaten at the Carolina Brewery on several occasions, has my buck counted as tourist money?  I always fill up in the county, and with gas prices skyrocketing since 2004, maybe that has had something to do with it as well?  I went to the Ruritan Rodeo...tourist money?

I'm very skeptical of all of these government figures, especially coming from an organization that must find any way to justify its existence, because people would come here whether the Tourism Board was here or not.  People don't come because of a government agency, they come because of the individual businesses and natural resources that are already here.

As a side note:  The $18 million to $23 million dollar jump during that time is not in inflation adjusted dollars.  That is a compound 8.2%  growth rate, approximately 3.5% of which should be chalked up to inflation.  4.7% growth rate in tourism revenues is still good, but with the population growing at >10% annually during that time, I really wonder how much of the increase is due to that and how much to a real increase in "tourism".

Respectfully yours,
CR

[NC YIPPIE]

4.7% growth rate in tourism revenues is still good

I agree that it is hard to measure those things, but to pull out the negatives and take them as fact is just the other side of the same coin. Given the state of the economy in the US, Chatham does seems to be waking up a bit as far as new business. Beachbumb is just such a chicken little on the topic, all figures are bad for the current admin, including increased revenue coming from people driving through.

[ncbeachbumb]

James, James, James...

BTW, I ran into a young lady in Carboro/Chapel Hill with same last name as yours working for the town's economic development department.  Any relation?

So, Uniboard expanding an existing plant counts as economic development.  Just how many jobs did it create?  Are these what YOU would call "Clean High Paying Jobs"?  How does this compare to 800 plus jobs lost at Pilgrims Pride, or any of the other businesses that have closed?

And I assume your referring to the Brewery and Steve Carr's new pub in Pittsboro as town growth?  Even though all these were on the drawing board for years, even prior to any involvement by our illustrious new EDC.

Strike Two...

[NC YIPPIE]

No relation, as far as I know. Perhaps in a broader sense. 

I believe the expansion (and the new plant they are building) is expected to create 100+ new jobs (insert foot in mouth here) with an average annual wage of $45,303, not including benefits. This means an estimated additional annual tax revenue for the county, even with incentives, of $600k every year.

So, you're calling that a miss for the EDC, who helped negotiate the deal? That's pretty funny.

Your position is that the whole admin needs to go because we are in such dire straits. My position is that Chatham is growing at a reasonable rate and has only recently even created an economic development plan. The sky is not falling, new businesses continue to open and existing businesses continue to expand.

Keep beating the drum of failure.

[chathamartist]

For those of you thinking malls are the be all and end all.  I went to the big new mall in Burlington a couple of weeks ago.  I was NOT impressed. Same ole, same ole -the usual stores next to the usual stores (I wonder whether malls use a formula.).  What surprised me most was the huge number of empty spaces.  Don't know if it's the recession or if they just over-built.

[zorro]

How can we provide input on getting rid of the Human Relations position?

[Muddylaces]

How can we provide input on getting rid of the Human Relations position?

Send an email to the commissioners tonight.   They will need input from people who work before tomorrows 9am meeting.

[whatsup]

How can we provide input on getting rid of the Human Relations position?

Send an email to the commissioners tonight.   They will need input from people who work before tomorrows 9am meeting.

Oops. got in late with the family last night. Did not get a chance to send an email ebfore the start of the meeting this morning.

Hope they do the right thing.

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