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« Reply #15 on: August 04, 2008, 08:03:12 PM » |
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" Amnesty International's research shows that in at least 44 of the 85 cases of taser related deaths since the publication of its previous report, the individuals who died went into cardiac or respiratory arrest at the scene." "Amnesty International shows that most of those who have died have been unarmed men who did not appear to pose a threat of death or serious injury when they were electro-shocked - a pattern seen in taser use across the country. Although some departments have moved to place tasers higher on the "use of force continuum", most departments still place them well below the deadly force level. In some agencies the use of these electrical weapons is allowed if a person does not comply with an officer's demands. " Strict guidelines and monitoring should govern all such use." http://www.amnestyusa.org/document.php?id=engamr510302006
I'm just saying, a little training is going to cost. but we already train cops to use guns. it should come as a package.
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« Reply #16 on: August 04, 2008, 08:11:05 PM » |
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It is good that you have backed off to this new position Belle. It is MUCH more tenable.
I doubt you will get any argument in providing appropriate training to officers. Most officers want to be properly trained, just as they want less than lethal alternatives to prevent situations from getting to the use of lethal force.
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« Reply #17 on: August 04, 2008, 08:16:00 PM » |
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It is good that you have backed off to this new position Belle. It is MUCH more tenable.
I doubt you will get any argument in providing appropriate training to officers. Most officers want to be properly trained, just as they want less than lethal alternatives to prevent situations from getting to the use of lethal force.
backed off? how? I just ask, because I have been familiar with this for some time, and trying to figure out how you think does interest me.
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« Reply #18 on: August 04, 2008, 08:25:35 PM » |
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it would be better to train these guys to handle situations without weapons. Disarming police officers is an untenable position. It assumes that all violence comes from the officers and not ever from perpetrators. Your later position is much more reasonable and I was happy to see it evolve.
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« Reply #19 on: August 04, 2008, 08:28:24 PM » |
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it would be better to train these guys to handle situations without weapons. Disarming police officers is an untenable position. It assumes that all violence comes from the officers and not ever from perpetrators. Your later position is much more reasonable and I was happy to see it evolve. at what point did I say, "disarm"?
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« Reply #20 on: August 04, 2008, 08:30:34 PM » |
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it would be better to train these guys to handle situations without weapons. Disarming police officers is an untenable position. It assumes that all violence comes from the officers and not ever from perpetrators. Your later position is much more reasonable and I was happy to see it evolve. at what point did I say, "disarm"? What exactly do you think "without weapons" means???
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« Reply #21 on: August 04, 2008, 08:37:49 PM » |
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it is better to use a taser than to use a gun. but it would be better to train these guys to handle situations without weapons.
I did not say or mean disarm. I said, handle situations without using weapons. the deputies I watched should have taken her inside, or taken him to a part of the yard. but talking facing them on a porch let her handle the scene. then she was in control. I watched it happen, well trained cops, or even bar bouncers, would never let it happen.
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« Reply #22 on: August 04, 2008, 09:10:04 PM » |
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I thought they already had tasers..remember the man that died after they chased him all the way to Ramsuer and he got tased and died...I thought he was tased by our sheriff dept..I might be wrong..
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« Reply #23 on: August 04, 2008, 09:25:51 PM » |
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I thought they already had tasers..remember the man that died after they chased him all the way to Ramsuer and he got tased and died...I thought he was tased by our sheriff dept..I might be wrong..
the scene I watched was about a year ago. and one death already. I think a little training is in order.
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« Reply #24 on: August 05, 2008, 05:14:55 AM » |
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I think tasers need more study..not just for Chatham Co. but for the whole US..there are alot of deaths with them no matter what the reason and there shouldn't be. I think they are more dangerous then they are made out to be.
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« Reply #25 on: August 05, 2008, 05:32:05 AM » |
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Watch the first 30 seconds of this YouTube video and you might see one of the dangers...
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« Reply #26 on: August 05, 2008, 08:14:01 AM » |
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what, that the cop was too poorly trained to conduct a traffic stop properly?
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« Reply #27 on: August 05, 2008, 08:24:20 AM » |
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I think tasers need more study..not just for Chatham Co. but for the whole US..there are alot of deaths with them no matter what the reason and there shouldn't be. I think they are more dangerous then they are made out to be.
We only seem to be getting one side of the story from amensty, and they might be a little biased. An unbiased, nationwide study on thier use would shed a lot of light on the subject.
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« Reply #28 on: August 05, 2008, 08:33:13 AM » |
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I think tasers need more study..not just for Chatham Co. but for the whole US..there are alot of deaths with them no matter what the reason and there shouldn't be. I think they are more dangerous then they are made out to be.
We only seem to be getting one side of the story from amensty, and they might be a little biased. An unbiased, nationwide study on thier use would shed a lot of light on the subject. they carefully examined each of 84 deaths. what was missing? the part that said, sure, cops should just tase first and stand there with their thumbs up their a** and wait for back up? have you ever seen a proper traffic stop? did it in any way resemble this one? so why are you against training cops?
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« Reply #29 on: August 05, 2008, 08:50:56 AM » |
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O.K., I guess the other side of the story is the cop's perspective. A cop obviously would love to have this non-lethal weapon to protect himself/herself, and this video is a very isolated incident. BTW, does anyone know how to embed the video here in this window. I can't figure it out.
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