Referendum for countywide liquor by the drink

[BillyRay]

That's all I'm sayin' . . .

[Big Mo]

... the perception is going to be that you oppose this for religious reasons, especially since you will be on the same side as many people who do.  You'd be better off addressing it early than trying to ignore it.

What IS a "religious reason" anyhow?       "I oppose LBD because my church says so and that I will burn in hell if I vote for it"  

What about:  "I oppose LBD because of the negative impacts research shows and because I do not want to raise my family in an environment where liquor is easily available"

[VAHeel]

thats a valid reason, I'm not saying it's not.  I'm saying get those facts out there and make sure people know that's why you're against it. 

A religious reason is "the Bible says it's wrong, so we shouldn't be doing it."  It's the same reason people on this very board have used to oppose same sex marriage.  People use that rationale for things all the time, and it will miscast the whole debate if you let it.

[chathambooks]

I agree with you.

I will define my reasoning with facts.

The first fact is that my church, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Days Saints, does not "pump money" into any candidate or effort.

My church encourages it's members to be active in community issues and I feel that it is my God given responsibility to do so.

My belief against LBD is one based on facts and not "taught" or directed to me.

My opposition to this issue is based on my socially conservative views. Not all folks who are LDS hold the same views I do. Take Harry Reid for one HUGE example of how my religion does not dictate member's views on these issues.

This is a fair discussion and I welcome it.

[RJLeeb]

I'm a conservative and I'm a Christian.

However, I'm not opposed to LBD.

I don't think LBD encourages people to drink more.  I could be wrong about that, but consider that the way it is now, people get a whole bottle of alcohol from the ABC Store.

They take it home and drink it.  There isn't a bartender there to tell them they've had enough.

If one is concerned about people drinking in establishments in town and then driving, then I submit to you that the cat is already out of the proverbial bag.  We already have places that serve beer (and lots of it) so I don't see how we would get any more instances of drunk driving than we do now.

As far as LBD establishments contributing to moral depravity, I just don't buy it.  An alcoholic feels just as tempted (if not moreso) by passing an ABC store than an Applebee's.

[BillyRay]

The first fact is that my church, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Days Saints, does not "pump money" into any candidate or effort.

Reckon I'm gonna hold up judgement on that one until I see what comes of the complaint that has been filed against them for their work in support of Proposition 8 in California.

[chathambooks]

Thank you RJLeeb.

I truly believe this is not a religious issue. It's unfair to say that Christians SHOULD or SHOULD NOT oppose this issue. I believe it is a fact based, policy issue.

Thanks so much for your post.

[Linda Felt]

So much for limited government.

Here's a thought: if you don't approve of alcohol, then don't drink it, but stay out of other peoples' lives who like it.

Didn't Jesus turn water into wine?  I heard it was a nice 30AD Shiraz.  Great year!

[HeeHaw]

Oh my - overwhelming proof of the negative impact. I did a Google search and happened to find a NC County study -

http://www.jsad.com/jsad/downloadarticle/LiquorbytheDrink_and_AlcoholRelated_Traffic_Crashes_A_Natural_Experime/3904.pdf

At least it's not some ridiculous link from the Deseret News. Actually, if everybody starts drinking more, they just might start believing that God is a human being that lives on another planet. Consider it a possible membership windfall for the Mormon church.

[mike_thomsss]

As far as LBD establishments contributing to moral depravity, I just don't buy it.  An alcoholic feels just as tempted (if not moreso) by passing an ABC store than an Applebee's.

Absolutely. What I hope the majority of folks are looking for is a place to have a cocktail before dinner or a nightcap before returning to their (attached) hotel room for the night. And for those hardcore folks, a bottle at the ABC store will run you the cost of a couple of drinks out. I don't see Drunkie McSloshenstein cruising the streets to get tanked at Ruby Tuesday's.

[SBB]

I just have one word to say about the issue.  Marguerita!

[mamacash]

There they go....

Well...we are going to have some spirited conversation and discussions on this one little girl...how have you been since the election? I wish we could keep religion out of this discussion but honey you are in the Bible Belt....religion is the for all and be all for some folks.

There will be folks who have not darkened the door of church or voting booth in 15 years that will get off their death beds to vote LBD down....I have lived to long to not know how this will be...when Pittsboro was voting for LBD, it was one heck of a showdown...when Chatham County was voting to have HOT beer sold in the stores...you would have thought the Devil himself had come to Chatham. It will get dirty quick if we are not careful...I am not even sure there is anything we can do to stop it.

I see the opposite effect with LBD...I think you will have folks who will make sure that they have a DD with them when drinking...and no I am not a Pollyanna..but I know that my kids always have DD's and the kids who come here have a DD when they go out.

I can see new jobs and new places for ADULTS to go out and enjoy an evening without a screaming child around you...never could understand why folks bring little kids who are obviously tired out into the public for our viewing and entertainment. I know folks want and need to go out but think about it before you take that tired child out into public.  Okay I am now off my soapbox..sorry if it offends..if it does it probably means you haul your kids out in public and let them run wild.

[kimmimom]

I don't believe it will increase DUI/accidents.  For one, you can buy beer at many restaurants and yes, you can get drunk on beer!  Secondly, right now people drive to Durham, Wake, Orange Counties to have a dinner at a location that serves liquor.  Thos people have to get home so they are driving on Chatham Co roads after visiting liquor-serving establishments; the only difference is those other counties are earning the tax benefit of those folks eating out.

Bring it on, I will vote YES! 

[VAHeel]

that's rude and out of line. 

Oh my - overwhelming proof of the negative impact. I did a Google search and happened to find a NC County study -

http://www.jsad.com/jsad/downloadarticle/LiquorbytheDrink_and_AlcoholRelated_Traffic_Crashes_A_Natural_Experime/3904.pdf

At least it's not some ridiculous link from the Deseret News. Actually, if everybody starts drinking more, they just might start believing that God is a human being that lives on another planet. Consider it a possible membership windfall for the Mormon church.

[WolfpackFan]

I don't believe it will increase DUI/accidents.  For one, you can buy beer at many restaurants and yes, you can get drunk on beer!  Secondly, right now people drive to Durham, Wake, Orange Counties to have a dinner at a location that serves liquor.  Thos people have to get home so they are driving on Chatham Co homes after visiting liquor-serving establishments; the only difference is those other counties are earning the tax benefit of those folks eating out.

Bring it on, I will vote YES! 

One could argue there might be more of a danger from drinking in neighboring counties since these people have to drive longer distances to get home and that increases their chances of having an accident.

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